CET DNB equivalence = ECFMG ( USA) .... your thoughts...

Discussion in 'DNB CET board - DipNB' started by parvas24, Oct 16, 2007.

  1. parvas24

    parvas24 Guest

    Recently the Union Minister of Heath and Family welfare had said that postgraduate courses from UK , USA , Australia , New Zealand , Canada would be considered to Indian Postgarduate degrees such as MD / MS/ DNB

    If so be the case then the ECFMG certificate = DNB CET exam

    ECFMG certificate is required to begin postgraduate/ residency training in USA [ Pass the USMLE step 1, 2 CK , 2CS exams].

    CET DNB is required to begin postgraduate courses in DNB ....

    Thus by embracing ECFMG certificate individuals who are aspiring to go abroad might rethink and join postgraduate courses in DNB ... this would ensure more international accredibility of DNB course value at the same time....
  2. loveindia

    loveindia Guest

    I am ECFMG certified, can I join DNB Medicine in India, with

    I am ECFMG certified, can I join DNB Medicine in India, without giving DNB CET (primary exam). Hope your not confusing with US Internal Medicine Board Certification (which you get after 3 yrs of residency in Internal Medicine in US)

    If ans is "yes" than this is a great relief to USMLE asprint who are struggle for residency in US.

    Please clarify my doubt.
  3. parvas24

    parvas24 Guest

    At present the Union Minister Hon. Anbumani Ramamdoss has taken the initiative to recognise foreign Postgraduate medical qualifications from
    Western English speaking Countries like USA, UK , Canada,Australia & New Zealand. These above mentioned countries have internationally recognised qualifications and classified a Category A worldwide. Due to many Indian doctors who have hold such western qualifications , they could not however get registered in India as Postgraduate specialists in INDIA.

    The move by the Ministry of Health & Family welfare to recognise these Western qualifications on par with Indian postgraduate qualifications needs to be appreciated as it benefits the doctors and the country too .

    This would mean for example a psotgraduate from USA holding qualification such as American Board of Internal Medicine degree would be registrable with the medical council of India as a specialist granting it equal status to MD Internal medicine degree/ DNB Internal medicine in INDIA.

    Thus it means DNB degree in India is equal to American postgraduate medical degrees.

    The CET - DNB primary exam is the entry level exam to pursue postgraduate courses in medical specialities in India.
    The ECFMG certificate issued by ECFMG in USA is to allow medical graduates pursue postgraduate training in USA.
    If so be the case , the ECFMG [ USA] certificate = CET DNB exam certificate.

    The issue of considering ECFMG certified doctors to pursue postgraduate training in DNB courses , has not yet been approved by the Ministry of Health. But given the equivalence of American postgraduate degrees to DNB degrees in India , it is only logical to approve ECFMG = CET DNB.
    This could be benefical to DNB qualifications to be internationally acclaimed and more desirable both in Inida and overseas, bring more credibilty and stronger DNB speciality programs all over the country and Inida faces a severe shortage of postgraduate doctors in sevevral fields.

    I have so far sent my appeal individually regarding approval of ECFMG Certification = CET DNB exam to National Board of Examinations- DNB, and also to Ministry of Health , New Delhi last month .
    The best way to bring more momentum into issue would be bring more doctors who think the same way ... and collectively submit letters or petitions with the Ministry of Health , and National Board of Exams in New Delhi . This move would certainly benefit Indian medical doctors in the present and future , also benefitting the country .

    If you have any suggestions of how to do this please feel free to email me : parvas24@hotmail.com
  4. loveindia

    loveindia Guest

    Thanks for your reply. I have sent you a mail.

    Thanks for your reply. I have sent you a mail. As soon, I hear from I will post this info on other forums to raise this issue. As I am senior member of various forums. Thanks.
  5. FOREIGN DEGREES

    HELLO,

    RECENTLY, THERE WAS A NEWSPAPER COVERAGE ABOUT RECOGNITION OF FOREIGN DEGREES BY THE HEALTH MINISTRY, TO WHICH MCI HAD OBJECTED.THE HEALTH MINISTER'S IDEA WAS THAT DOCTORS WHO STUDIED ABROAD, ESP.UK / USA, SHOULD WANT TO RETURN TO INDIA.

    MCI IS OBJECTING THIS MOVE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WANT DOCTORS TO MISUSE FOREIGN DEGREES, WHICH ARE NOWADAYS DISTRIBUTED LIKE HOT CAKES, BY CERTAIN COUNTRIES.

    I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S THE FINAL OUTCOME OF THIS DISCUSSION, BUT THE MCI OR THE HEALTH MINISTRY MAYBE ABLE TO ANSWER THE QUERY.

    DR.A.J.PAIDHUNGAT.
  6. loveindia

    loveindia Guest

    well you are right but ............

    Well you are right but its not the question to recognize foreign degree, but to allow the candidate those are MRCP holder or US board certified to take DNB Secondary exam. So that these candidate can get DNB (e.g. DNB Medicine ) degree and practice in India.

    MRCP and Board Certification are not easy to get.
  7. FOREIGN DEGREES

    HELLO,

    THIS IS A QUESTION OF BILATERAL POLICY FOR RECOGNITION OF DEGREES IN INDIA & ABROAD.AT PRESENT, THIS EXCHANGE IS BEING PERMITTED FOR STUDYING IN RUSSIA, BULGARIA, POLAND, ETC, SINCE THEY RECOGNIZE OUR DEGREES. STILL, MCI INSISTS ON A SCREENING TEST FOR THEM & THAT IS FAIR ENOUGH, I FEEL.

    IT IS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT IF USA/UK RECOGNIZE OUR MBBS DEGREE & DNB-CET PASSING FOR DOING THEIR PG COURSES, THE INDIAN GOVERNMENT MAY ALLOW THEIR MD-PASSED STUDENTS WHO ALREADY PASSED THE ECFMG(USMLE) EXAM, TO DO DNB RIGHTAWAY, WITHOUT DOING DNB-CET AGAIN.

    HOWEVER, SO MANY QUESTIONS ARE INVOLVED IN THIS POLICY, THE MAIN ONE BEING MCI RECOGNITION. FOR EXAMPLE, MCI MAY PUT A SIMILAR CONDITION LIKE DNB-CET, FOR THOSE STUDENTS WHO HAVE PASSED THE ALL INDIA PG MEDICAL ENTRANCE EXAM &/OR THE STATE MEDICAL ENTRANCE EXAM, FOR ADMISSION TO PG DEGREE/DIPLOMA!

    HENCE I REALLY WONDER WHEN EXACTLY IT WILL ACTUALLY GET IMPLEMENTED!

    DR.A.J.PAIDHUNGAT.
  8. parvas24

    parvas24 Guest

    Hello Dr. Asha Paiduhungat....

    Please try to understand this discussion is about Postgraduate training and degrees DNB = American Board Medical Specialities, MRCS[UK], MRCP[UK].etc from English speaking Western countries with Internationally acclaimed Catergory A qualifications .....

    As regarding undergraduate qualifications which you mentioned like MBBS from India reciprocally recognised to undergraduate degrees in Poland or Bulgaria... remember thes are non - English speaking countries and have no comparison internationally to USA , UK , Canada , Australia...
    Also for your information one has to do a Bachelor's degree like Zoology/ Anatomy in the USA ...... so they have a bachelor's degree before joining medical course unlike in INDIA... so when they do join medical course they are awarded MD degree by the medical school there ... but they cannot get registered and start private practice or work in hospitals unlike INDIA.... they too have to write the USMLE exams and clear them like any foreign doctor to get into Postgraduate / residency training ....
    Thus you can see that only those who did bachelors degree in USA get into medical schools there and get MD degree.... when they complete residency they take the Board exams and get certified by the American Board of Medical specialities in their own field..... and also get their registration to practice....
    USA requires any doctor be it American MD degree holder or a Foreign medical graduate for example from India to give all the USMLE exams ..... ECFMG is the DEAN's body there for Foreign medical graduates in USA .... American graduates get their credentials from their medical school dean's office ....
    If you have any questions about this please feel free to email me at
    parvas24@hotmail.com
  9. loveindia

    loveindia Guest

    Thanks for info.

    Thanks PARVAS and other.

    parvas24, I have sent you a mail for more details
  10. FOREIGN DEGREES

    HELLO PARVAS,

    THANKS FOR THE DETAILS.
    HOWEVER, THE POINT REMAINS THAT THESE FOREIGN DEGREES, WHETHER THEY ARE UNDERGRADUATE OR POSTGRADUATE, ARE NOT YET RECOGNIZED IN INDIA, POSSIBLY BECAUSE THESE COUNTRIES ARE NOT RECOGNIZING OUR DEGREES AS YET! SO, EVEN IF THE PERSON HAS DONE A B.SC, FOLLOWED BY M.D, LATER GETTING CERTIFIED IN A SUBJECT BY PASSING THE BOARD EXAM IN USA,
    INDIA MAY STILL NOT RECOGNIZE THEM!

    I'VE HEARD THAT INDIANS CAN DO PG STUDIES IN RUSSIA & THAT THESE TOO ARE RECOGNIZED BY MCI, JUST LIKE THEIR MBBS COURSE.

    DR.A.J.PAIDHUNGAT.
  11. parvas24

    parvas24 Guest

    Hello Dr. ASHA

    Please note that the USA recognises all medical schools listed in WHO directory of World medical schools ... Infact they recognise all medical colleges with MCI approved credentials directly ...

    Actually it is the MCI here in INDIA that has been very naive , does not know this fact ... misinforming the people and doctors in India that the fault lies with USA ....

    USMLE exams are mandatory for US medical graduates too to enter residency / postgraduate training programs in USA ....
    Foreign medical graduates have to give the same USMLE exams like the Americans to enter Residency / postgraduate training in USA....

    THUS, YOU COULD NOW UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS USA THAT RECOGNISES
    ALL MCI APPROVED MEDICAL COLLEGES BUT MCI DOES NOT RECOGNISE US MEDICAL COLLEGES/ SCHOOLS ......

    DON'T YOU THINK THAT MCI IS BEING UNFAIR AND TO US MEDICAL GRADUATES.....
  12. loveindia

    loveindia Guest

    parvas24

    Well as far as question recognizing degree of US and UK is consider. I don't think this can ever happen.

    Why MCI recognize Russian MBBS is because their are many Indian going for MBBS abroad and more so Russia recognize Indian SSC to earn money from Indian admission, its give and take business.

    But as far as post graduate is concerned, I don't think MCI will ever recognize US board certified physician. It possible DNB board can be little bit relaxed to exempt ECFMG Certified candidate or board certified physician to start DNB training.

    As far as training is concerned, MCI and DNB are well structured training program in comparison to US and UK, its mostly money which makes you to move out of country.

    Lets hope for the best. DNB board allows ECFMG certified candidates to start training in India.
  13. parvas24

    parvas24 Guest

    for all those with ECFMG certified and would like to take up DNB courses in INDIA .... we need to approach the Ministry of Health - INDIA and the National Board of examinations ... persuade them to approve ECFMG certificate = CET DNB exam ........


    anybody out there with similar views ?

    please email me : parvas24@hotmail.com
  14. loveindia

    loveindia Guest

    Hi! Parvas, I got 47 reply in support to this issue.

    Hi! Parvas, I got 47 reply in support to this issue. But let us know, how to approach Ministry of Health - INDIA and the National Board of examinations, with this issue ?
  15. Guest

    Guest Guest

    First we need to collect all the names and email address of those who support this view ....
    Next we need to formulate a plan to carefully approach the National Board of examinations and the Ministry of Health - New Delhi.....
  16. loveindia

    loveindia Guest

    Dr. Asha, PraVas and others

    According to news published in The Hindu news paper and declaration from MCI in Chennai function, that MRCP is recognized now in India and u will find it...US, UK, Singapore and Australia all degrees are now recognized by the medical council of India.

    So does this means ECFMG certificate = DNB CET exam. In this way can ECFMG candidate can get exemption from DNC CET Exam.

    As this decision is also welcomed by DNB Boards too.
  17. parvas24

    parvas24 Guest

    ECFMG certificate = CET exam DNB

    Exactly all English speaking westen post graduate qualifications are recognised as equivalent to Indian post graduate degrees like MD / DNB /MS .

    This means Qualifications like :
    MRCP [UK] , American Board of Medical Specialities = INDIAN PG[ MD, DNB]


    In a way ECFMG certificate is required to start Residency / PG in USA ....
    also in INDIA likewise CET DNB is required to start DNB course ....

    The equation is simple to understand :
    IF American Board of medical specialities = DNB qualification
    THEN ECFMG Certificate = CET DNB certificate

    The National Board of Examinations needs to look into this matter and allow ECFMG certified candidates to start / join DNB courses ....
  18. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Dear Friends in the forum,
    iam an Indian medical graduate with a three yrs postgraduate degree in orthopaedics from Rostov, russia. I have also cleared PLAB 2 yrs ago. I have worked in the middle east, am also holding dual citizenship with Canada. At present Iam working as a consultant to a 250 bedded private hospital in india after having forgone a chance to work in india.
    It is such a shame that our ministers are after recognition of P.G degrees from US, UK, Aust etc. Let any indian educated from any country be recognised by the MCI, provided he or she cleares an entrance exam.It is ur knowledge which matters and not the country from where u are educated.
    Dr Jeej.
  19. parvas24

    parvas24 Guest

    this is for our Guest who said ....

    I could agree partly with our Guest who said that any Indian with foreign PG
    degree needs to give exam to work in that area of Specialty in INDIA ...

    Need I remind you that Western PG like MRCP and FRCS were all recognised in INDIA , in the good old days .... during British rule and after that in Independant India until 1978 .... after that there was some ego problem with MCI and things went into cold storage ....

    It was definately a welcome news that the Ministry of Health - India has given the go ahead to recognise Postgraduate degrees from Western Countries ....

    It is indeed a Merit by itself to qualify and obtain those Postgraduate degrees from UK, USA, Australia , NZ , Canada, etc .....
    We need such doctors here back in India and cater to our population rather than continue to put hurdles ....
    The world view has changed much regarding medical qualification equivalence .... for instance the Bologna Conference in Europe has signed upto 48 countries in the European Union , others such as Ukraine , Romainia , Russia have all signed it as well which recognises each other member countries Postgraduate medical degrees .....
    Australia has recently brought in sweeping changes of recognising a wide range of countries and exams like ECFMG , MRCP , etc ....

    It is in the best interests that our Medical Council of India recognise
    Postgraduate qualifications directly issued by COMPETANT AUTHORITIES
    in UK, USA, Australia , NZ , Canada , European Union , Singapore , etc...
  20. parvas24

    parvas24 Guest

    this is for our Guest who said ....

    Need I remind you that Western PG like MRCP and FRCS were all recognised in INDIA , in the good old days .... during British rule and after that in Independant India until 1978 .... after that there was some ego problem with MCI and things went into cold storage ....

    It was definately a welcome news that the Ministry of Health - India has given the go ahead to recognise Postgraduate degrees from Western Countries ....

    It is indeed a Merit by itself to qualify and obtain those Postgraduate degrees from UK, USA, Australia , NZ , Canada, etc .....
    We need such doctors here back in India and cater to our population rather than continue to put hurdles ....
    The world view has changed much regarding medical qualification equivalence .... for instance the Bologna Conference in Europe has signed upto 48 countries in the European Union , others such as Ukraine , Romainia , Russia have all signed it as well which recognises each other member countries Postgraduate medical degrees .....
    Australia has recently brought in sweeping changes of recognising a wide range of countries and exams like ECFMG , MRCP , etc ....

    It is in the best interests that our Medical Council of India recognise
    Postgraduate qualifications directly issued by COMPETANT AUTHORITIES
    in UK, USA, Australia , NZ , Canada , European Union , Singapore , etc...
  21. Doctor who

    Doctor who Guest

    USA degrees

    Hi dear friends,,
    i hold Indian MBBS degree and USA MD [ finished residency in medicine].do i need to do DNB to practice in India or iam good enough to start practicing in India.let me know the current status on this issue and references.By the way, as somebody mentioned earlier- Foreign degrees like USA MD or UK MRCP/MRCS are not distributed like hot cakes! the training here is scrutinized and critiqued 360 degrees with stringent quality assurance measures!!! at the same time, thanks to my medical school in India for building a strong base in MBBS.I guess asian [ mainly Indian] graduates with basic degrees in India and further training in western world would do a wonderful job if we return to our mother land.
    thanks guys. i ll await your input
  22. parvas24

    parvas24 Guest

    since you had done your Primary medical degree MBBS in INDIA ... you are registered with the Medical Council of India to practice....

    Untill now the question of recognition of Western English speaking countries
    Postgraduate qualifications was restricted to only Private practice in India if you had done your MBBS in INDIA ... that means you could join private hospitals and practice your specialty or do private clinic practice....

    With the recent announcement of the Ministry of Health approving PG from USA , UK , AUSTRALIA, etc ... they could apply for even Government hospitals posts as specialists , join University MCI recognised teaching hospitals as Faculty members....
  23. FOREIGN MEDICAL DEGREES

    HELLO,

    I CERTAINLY DON'T MEAN TO SAY THAT FOR DEGREES FROM UK & USA BECAUSE I KNOW ABOUT THEIR GOOD STANDARD.

    HOWEVER, IT IS NOT THE SAME FOR SOME OTHER COUNTRIES!SOME OF THEM EVEN WANT TO HAVE AN AFFILIATION WITH A LOCAL MEDICAL COLLEGE SO THAT PART OF TEH COURSE IS DONE IN INDIA!

    DR.A.J.PAIDHUNGAT.
  24. parvas24

    parvas24 Guest

    From what I have seen some US PG programmes and also likewise in Australia , UK etc ... have about 2 - 3 months of International elective experience... it is the choice of that PG candidate to travel abroad to a country to do that ... also some Institues have a list of which country and medical school affiliated hospital just to make sure their PG candidates go to a safer country during that time period ... but other than that all their PG lectures and curriculum , exams are located where they joined PG in USA / UK etc....

    As far as other medical schools from non - English speaking countries are concered that want to tie up contracts with Indian unversities ... one should be wary of the quality and standards of that non - English speaking country... that is a complicated issue ...
  25. loveindia

    loveindia Guest

    to doctor who

    By new regulation from MCI, you do not need to take DNB training. you can work in Govt and Private set up as well. But as far as ABIM certification you will be allowed to appear for DNB Medicine (DNB secondary) final exam. I am not sure about this but I have gut feeling that DNB board will ABIM, MRCP candidates to take DNB Medicine exams.
  26. loveindia.

    loveindia. Guest

    MRCs is recognized by DNB Boards and vice versa.-

    MRCs is recognize by DNB Boards and vice versa.-
    The National Board of Examination has decided to tie up with the Royal College of Surgeons of Edinburgh (RCS ED) to award the prestigious MRCS degree to medicos appearing in the exam for a Diploma of the National Board in India.


    At present, the Royal College offers a course in basic surgical skills, a threeday orientation course and a two-year MRCS for which students had to go to UK. Members of the RCS India chapter claimed that this would usher in a new era in the training of surgeons from the country. The tie-up, likely to commence with the DNB exams next October, would mean that students appearing for DNB would simultaneously get MRCS degrees, too.

    Already, the four Royal Colleges of Surgeons have stopped offering FRCS. Coming close on the heels of the replacement of the old FRCS exam with the MRCS by all the royal colleges in UK, the programme would be another foray by the Edinburghbased college in its multipronged overseas activi-ties.

    The RCS ED and the National Board are currently working out a structured training programme on standard practices for surgeons in India and England, informed Wilson S. Hendry of RCS ED on Monday. "The idea is to recognise medicos ap-pearing for the DNB exam, which by itself is a competent and advanced degree, equivalent of the MRCS," he said.

    "Students sitting for DNB would thus get two degrees simultaneously, something like an MRCS-DNB," added Hendry. As MRCS was not recognised by the Indian government, the tie-up with the National Board would help the degree, recognised worldwide, as a standard training module. "Now, surgeons wanting to specialise further will have to undergo another four-year training after which they will get the FRCS degrees," said Hendry. Indian students would also be able to go for super-specialisation following postgraduation, not available till date.
  27. loveindia

    loveindia Guest

    MRCS reconize by DNB Board

    The National Board of Examination has decided to tie up with the Royal College of Surgeons of Edinburgh (RCS ED) to award the prestigious MRCS degree to medicos appearing in the exam for a Diploma of the National Board in India.


    At present, the Royal College offers a course in basic surgical skills, a threeday orientation course and a two-year MRCS for which students had to go to UK. Members of the RCS India chapter claimed that this would usher in a new era in the training of surgeons from the country. The tie-up, likely to commence with the DNB exams next October, would mean that students appearing for DNB would simultaneously get MRCS degrees, too.

    Already, the four Royal Colleges of Surgeons have stopped offering FRCS. Coming close on the heels of the replacement of the old FRCS exam with the MRCS by all the royal colleges in UK, the programme would be another foray by the Edinburghbased college in its multipronged overseas activi-ties.

    The RCS ED and the National Board are currently working out a structured training programme on standard practices for surgeons in India and England, informed Wilson S. Hendry of RCS ED on Monday. "The idea is to recognise medicos ap-pearing for the DNB exam, which by itself is a competent and advanced degree, equivalent of the MRCS," he said.

    "Students sitting for DNB would thus get two degrees simultaneously, something like an MRCS-DNB," added Hendry. As MRCS was not recognised by the Indian government, the tie-up with the National Board would help the degree, recognised worldwide, as a standard training module. "Now, surgeons wanting to specialise further will have to undergo another four-year training after which they will get the FRCS degrees," said Hendry. Indian students would also be able to go for super-specialisation following postgraduation, not available till date.
  28. parvas24

    parvas24 Guest

    Need to make a move as Ministry of Health has already approved recognising PG degrees from USA , UK , Australia , etc = DNB , MS, MD degrees from India
    I feel the time is right now for ECFMG Certification = DNB CET

    Email me : parvas24@hotmail.com
  29. Guest

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    Hi 8) :shock: :D :) :( :eek: :lol: :? :x :p :oops: :cry: :wink: :twisted: :evil: :!: :?: :idea: :arrow: chatterbox
  30. parvas24

    parvas24 Guest

    US gives parity status to India's medical education

    The United States has said India's recognition system for under-graduate medical courses is at par with theirs, an achievement that could facilitate mobility of doctors from India to US.

    National Committee on Accreditation in the US, the apex body responsible for foreign accreditation, has granted parity to the recognition system in India for the courses.

    "The MCI had sought parity status from the National Committee on Accreditation. It was granted last month, which means quality wise, the under-graduate courses in India are at par with the US," Dr Vedprakash Mishra, Vice-Chancellor, Datta Meghe Institute of Medical Sciences University, who was part of the MCI team to negotiate with the US agency, told reporters at the Indo-US Healthcare Summit in New Delhi.

    The parity has been granted for two years. "During this period, our recognition system will be monitored by them. Then India will get permanent parity status," he said.

    The parity does not give automatic passage to the US or any other country. But the standards of education will be treated at par with the US which will facilitate the students mobility to that country, Dr Hemant Patel, President, American Association of Physicians of Indian Origin (AAPI), said.

    The parity status was given on six parameters-- curriculum, teaching, method of evaluation, extension, research and impact of education processes.

    At present, there is no accreditation system in India. The MCI has only laid down certain procedure for recognition of the courses.

    SEE THE LINK BELOW:
    http://publication.samachar.com/pub...stantimes.php&homeurl=http://www.samachar.com
  31. parvas24

    parvas24 Guest

    check the link :
    http://publication.samachar.com/pub...anexpress.php&homeurl=http://www.samachar.com

    Medical Council of India proposes National Board for Accreditation
    Friday December 14 2007 00:00 IST
    U Anand Kumar


    NEW DELHI: A proposal to set up a national board to grant accreditation to medical colleges is now before the Centre.

    The Medical Council of India (MCI) has proposed that it should be allowedto set up a National Board of Accreditation of Medical Colleges, a move it says will ensure international standards.

    Accreditation system will ensure quality education with internationalstandards. Medical Council of India has already prepared model accreditation system and sent it to the Union Ministry of Health and Family Welfare to amend the Indian Medical Council Act 1956.

    According to MCI executive member Vedprakash Mishra, a National Accreditation Board could be set up with the amendment of the MCI Act. He said that University Grants Commission (UGC) and Indian Council for Technical Education (AICTE) have set up respective national boards for accreditation since the provision was there in acts governing them. He said that such provision was not in the MCI Act.

    Mishra Maintained that accreditation system would ensure proper parameters for the medical education. He said the National Committee for Accreditation of Medical Education in United States recognized that the parameters in India for under graduate medical education are matching those of United States.

    MCI executive member said that parameters include curricula, teaching, training and research and impact education process. He said the National Committee for Accreditation declared that matachability in the last month.

    Mishra said that the finding of the National Committee in United States would help the India in a big way in future. He said that there is scope for vast trained manpower in medical education in 271 medical colleges. He said that 10,000 students get admissions every year in Post Graduate medical education in the country.

    Mishra said that the Indo-US Health summit would discuss the ways and means for improving the medical education in the country. The America Association of Physicians of Indian Origin (AAPI) is organizing the two-day summit in collaboration with Medical Council of India and Indian Medical Association. More than 100 doctors from America of Indian Origin are expected to participate in the summit to be inaugurated by Union Health Minister Dr Anbumani Ramadoss on Friday.

    President of AAPI Hemant Patel said that summit would deliberate on six diseases and come out with a white paper for implementation to ensure proper health care facilities in the country. He said that Indian origin doctors in America did not forget their roots and some of them are here to attend the summit in order to contribute to the country.

    Hemant Patel said that workshops on each area would attempt to identify the best practices for each therapeutic area and provide guidance on treatment. He said that there are proposals to send medical students from America to India for some time to study various aspects of the diseases such as Tuberculosis that they could not see in the United States.

    President of Indian Medical Association (IMA) Ajay Kumar said that the summit would have mutual benefit for both parties. He said, "While we can learn about emergency medicine from them, they can learn about tropical diseases like Tuberculosis from India."
  32. parvas24

    parvas24 Guest

    link: http://publication.samachar.com/pub...anexpress.php&homeurl=http://www.samachar.com

    Indian hospitals wooing back British NRI doctors
    Sunday December 16 2007 10:10 IST
    PTI


    LONDON: India is now experiencing a reverse brain-drain with its well resourced hospitals with state of the art facilities wooing back a sizable number of NRI doctors, who worked with the National Health Service of Britain for years.

    Quoting the director of one of India's leading private hospital chains, The Sunday Times reported that he was receiving five job applications a week from NHS doctors and that half his 3,000 consultants were from Britain.

    "There?s a feeling that India's time has come and there's a huge need for these people to come back," Anupam Sibal, director of the Apollo Hospital in Delhi said. Doctors say they are moving to India because of its economy, state of the art equipment, higher standards than the NHS and a better quality of life.

    In particular, they say hospitals in India, which many Britons still imagine to be impoverished and dirty, suffer less from hospital-acquired infections such as MRSA. There has been a boom in private hospitals in India that resemble luxury hotels, with marble foyers and corridors mopped by an army of liveried cleaners.

    One of those who has made the transition is Mahesh Kulkarni, an orthopaedic surgeon, who left Bristol Royal Infirmary after 10 years in Britain. He is now a consultant at the Aditya Birla Memorial Hospital in Pune.

    "The hospitals are better than in Britain," he said. "The hospital is spotless and clean compared with the old hospitals in the UK, some of which are more than 100 years old. I started in January this year and I have not seen MRSA here yet."

    Ameet kishore had worked as an ear, nose and throat consultant in glasgow royal infirmary for 12 years when he moved to the apollo hospital in Delhi two years ago. He said the new Indian hospitals were cleaner and better resourced.

    Other doctors cited new European Union rules for their decision to move. Shailendra Magdam, a specialist registrar in neurosurgery at Radcliffe Infirmary in Oxford until he left for India in August last year, said that rules favouring EU doctors over Indians had played a part.

    He said the EU's working time directive had also lowered NHS standards, by restricting the amount of time that young doctors could spend on the wards. "For a neurosurgeon to be good you have to spend a lot of time on the wards, but in Britain the working time directive is running down training," he said.

    Although salaries are usually lower in India, doctors are finding that their standard of living is better. Kishore said he lived in a bigger house with a driver, cleaner, cook, nanny and watchman to look after him, his wife and two young children.
  33. parvas24

    parvas24 Guest

    friends ... those who share the view that ECFMG certificate = DNB Cet certificte ..... then we should join to start the process for it ....
    my email is : parvas24@hotmail.com
  34. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Lets take a move to this issue

    Hi!

    Hope we all can get in touch to move this issue to DNB board.

    Dr. Pravas, as per your post I would appreciate if something can be done in this regards.
  35. parvas24

    parvas24 Guest

    Anybody who is sharing these same feeling that Ministry of Health should approve such a decision of ECFMG = CET DNB ....
    email me : parvas24@hotmail.com

    Your support is needed .....
  36. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Dear Parsav,
    you have labeled the post graduate degree from english speaking countries as category A. I would like to know how the post graduate degrees are being categorised world wide. Is there any international agency doing such ccategorisation, and if s where do India and china stand.

    Aseem
  37. Johny

    Johny Guest

    Exemption from MRCP (UK) Part 1 examination f

    Dear friends,

    How come the Royal College of Physicians of UK does not recognise MD in Medicine from India for exemption from MRCP (UK) Part 1 examination while it does so for similar qualifications from most other third world countries? Should not the Governemnt of India take this seriously and solve this problem with the British Government?
  38. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Hello everybody,
    I think the Govt of india and the Medical council are adopting double standards. Although we attained freedom 62 yrs ago, we still have a soft corner and an inferiority complex when it comes to the whites. Does it mean that the non english speaking countries have a poor standard of health care?? I feel there is lobbying at the highest level for these english speaking pass outs. If the Govt and the MCI are not discriminatory, they should be conducting a common exam to assess all foreign PGs rather than being biased towards a certain set of countries. I strongly suggest taking a legal recourse to bring a stay on the recognition of the english speaking post graduate degrees till they are fair to all.
  39. dip NB recognized outside India

    i would like to know if DNB in ophthalmology recognized outside India? :?:

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