Thinking about coming to Australia?

Discussion in 'Australian Medical Council (AMC) EXAM' started by An immigrant doc, Aug 11, 2007.

  1. dr gurdeep

    dr gurdeep Guest


    Hi Every Body
    I am a M D Medicine doing private practice in India. my monthly income is indian Rs 60000 . My wife is in govt job in India . We are planing for migrating to Australia. I want to know ,
    1) what are the main problems if we try area of need?.
    2) what is the annual income of a graduate (MBBS) and podtgraduate (MD medicine) ?.
    3) what are main problems with schooling of childern? .
    waiting for kind opinion

  2. Woof

    Woof Guest


    Stay in India! It has a very good China. Or, try Singapore.

    Oz is a lost country - just read about it in this forum. Horrific stuff esp with administrators, AMC and colleges

    Remember the gene pool they derived their progeny from: they were all transported from Britain. The phenotypes are still manifest.

  3. DR.Ijaz

    DR.Ijaz Guest

    Information regarding work as a OTD,s in Australia

    :)Respected Sir/Madam,
    Most respectfuuly it is stated that i have completed my medical graduation from Republic of Kazakhsta in 2005 and recently i am working as a GP ( General Practitioner) in Pakistan as i belong to this country.I am extremly keen to come Australia and work here.
    Kindly give me some information about requirments and procedure through which i can apply.
    I would be very thankful to you for this act of kindness.
    Dr.Ijaz Ali S/O MuhaMMAD Karim
    Postal address:
    City Hospital Mirpur Azad Jammu and Kashmir F 1
    sector Mirpur AJK.
    Contact #00923445092809
  4. guest in QLD

    guest in QLD Guest


    MBBS doc from Asia, planning on writing Amc in sep. what kind of a salary scale can i expect after clearing AMC?
  5. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Hi, everybody!
    I'm a foreign medical graduate that is currently going through USMLE exams (2 steps passed by now).
    Unfortunately there are circumstances that may bring me to Australia (after all nightmare with US Step 1 exam!!!!!!!!!)
    Will US ECFMG certification put me in a good position for getting an Australian residency? What needs to be done?
    Please, help! Any info is very much appreciated!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    N.T. :?
  6. Guest

    Guest Guest

    You have stated this yourself! Do not be seduced by any scheme. Administrators are not doctors and they have a different agenda. Unfortunately they are everywhere in the world and they are more seductive in countries like USA and Australia. There are similar ones in Singapore, UK and China.

    Just be very very careful all the way and read the fine print all the way!

    Sorry! It is hard being a street wise doc nowadays. In the past you just act honest to your Hippocratic Oath: now, you have to interact with people whose behaviour is not clearly regulated i.e. administrators and bureacrats
  7. OTD

    OTD Guest

    Surgeons walk out of public system

    The Age
    Nick Miller
    March 17, 2008

    SURGEONS are quitting Victoria's public health system in alarming numbers, dismayed at their working conditions and pay, a ministerial review says.

    Morale is low, frustration is rising and senior and junior surgeons are joining the exodus, the independent review says.

    The Australian Medical Association says this is evidence that Victoria is on the precipice of a crisis in public health.

    "Public hospitals are at a crossroads: what happens now will determine whether we plunge into crisis or not," AMA Victoria president Doug Travis said. "Fewer surgeons will mean fewer operations. It's that simple."

    From 2000 to 2006, the number of full-time equivalent (FTE) surgeons operating only in the public sector dropped by almost 40%, from 139 to 84. At the same time, the number of FTE surgeons operating publicly and privately fell by almost 10%, from 914 to 826. FTE numbers in the private sector stayed steady. FTEs do not directly correspond to surgeon numbers, but show that surgeons are doing less work in public hospitals.

    Tim Woodruff, of the Doctors Reform Society of Australia, said this was a worrying trend that would hurt those with serious, complicated illnesses who could not afford private health cover.

    The Ministerial Review of Victorian Public Health Medical Staff was completed in November but has not been released by the Government.

    The Age has seen the part of the review that looks at problems with retaining senior staff in the public system. It says the problem is not confined to surgeons.

    "Both general working conditions and remuneration are driving Victorian doctors from the public sector both into the private sector and interstate," the review says. "Reasons that attracted clinicians to public hospitals in the past are rapidly disappearing."

    Procedural specialists are a particularly endangered species, the review was told.

    "There is considerable disquiet particularly amongst orthopedic surgeons within the public health sector, with many surgeons having resigned their public appointments within the past 12 months," the review panel heard. "These resignations not only include many senior surgeons but also a number of junior surgeons."

    Low pay in the public sector is a key determinant in the problem, the review says. But surgeons in the public systems are also affected by a loss of goodwill and job satisfaction.

    "There were many reports of poor morale, a feeling that medical practitioners were devalued by the system and by management," the review says.

    Medical practitioners told the review panel there was a proliferation of hospital bureaucracy, setting key performance indicators that did not relate to quality of care but increasingly emphasised patient throughput.

    One submission says staff morale at Victorian hospitals is at an all-time low. "Attendance at medical staff meetings, once dynamic, frequently fails to make a quorum," it says.

    Another complained about the increasing separation of hospital management from medical, nursing and paramedical staff. "This … has led to such a high degree of frustration that many who were previously committed to the public hospital system have often decided to spend the minimum time possible (if any) in the public health system."

    Dr Travis said the report's findings matched his own observations. Younger surgeons were more likely to go interstate, where they could earn up to $100,000 more a year, he said. Older surgeons were more likely to cut the amount of work in public hospitals. "We are on the precipice," he said.

    He called for the immediate release of the report so work could start on addressing its recommendations.

    Last week Nationals leader Peter Ryan quoted in Parliament a leaked section of the report's findings that said reduction in bed numbers and high occupancy rates were causing stress in the health system.

    "It puts the lie to the position the Government consistently portrays: that the system is running well," he said.

    Health Minister Daniel Andrews told Parliament the review was entering its final stages. "There will be a Government response," he said.

    Yesterday a spokeswoman for Mr Andrews said the report would be released shortly.

    "The Brumby Government has recruited an additional 1800 doctors to the system since coming to government," she said. "We currently invest around $40 million each year to recruit and retain our health workforce. "We are working with the Rudd Government to address this issue."


    Obviously a quick fix for the embattled bureaucrats would be to recruit more OTD slaves and use them at low salaries, harsh conditions etc. Think again before applying - OTDs! Unless of course it is to the private sector in which case, anything goes! And, you all know well that business visa holders (457) including doctors are generally badly exploited.
  8. dr gurdeep

    dr gurdeep Guest

    thanks woof

    Sir still i want to know annual income a specialist in aust.
    Dr G S S
  9. Guest

    Guest Guest

    thnk u so much fr the info. defntly hlp a gr8 deal.
  10. drabee

    drabee Guest

    Just a simple question :!:
    I have passed plab part two Nov 2008,
    Had full registraton with gmc uk today .
    GMC seems to approve my internship and experience .
    I did not worked in the uk ,
    Can i apply to the AMC through the competent authority
    pathway :?:
  11. Jackie Chan

    Jackie Chan Guest

    Yes, you can. It is really easy now to register in Australia
  12. drabee

    drabee Guest

    Thanks how long it will take to get the AMC advanced standing after application?
    I have mrcp part one atwo written medicine do u think it will help in aust
    to find ajob qickly ?
    How long it will take to get a job after the AMC advanced standing certi ?
    How long the AMC advanced standing is valid ?
    Some of thses qustions sound silly but important for me , iam not in australia right now ,iam in uk .
    How much it will cost average life in australia per month ?
    What type of visa u recommend iapply for ?
  13. Guest

    Guest Guest


    I'm doing my internship following MBBS. Am i eligible to answer AMC exam now or do i have to wait till i complete my internship?
  14. drconfused

    drconfused Guest

    do you need a job to register in aus?

    hello, I have passed PLAB and have got full registration with the GMC after having done 12 months internship in south africa and one year as a house officer in new zealand. My question is whether I can apply for registration via the competent authority pathway even if I do not have a job offer in Aus?
  15. drabee

    drabee Guest

    This is a very common question nowadays . To my knowledge the amc
    needs superviced ,approved training either in uk or an other comp authority body and nz is one of them .
    So u are qualified to apply through the com autho,
  16. Guest

    Guest Guest


    i am doing post grad in surgery in indiawhat is its future in australia please let me know
  17. sancubes

    sancubes Guest


    hi!! all OTDs is Australia , i belong to india and doing specialization in anaesthesia n want to come to Australia, plz guide me
  18. Guest####

    Guest#### Guest

    I have PLAB, Full Registration with the GMC UK , I did my internship
    in Sudan . I never worked in the UK or Aust but i have mrcp part one
    medicine and part two written i failed the paces twise . Iam I qualified to apply the competent authority pathway in australia ?
    Thanks ,
    Guest ####
  19. Guest

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  20. swami

    swami Guest

    Specialist assessment

    Hi is there anyone who has specialised in General surgery from India waiting for assessment or have already undergone assessment? Please reply. Thankyou.
  21. swami

    swami Guest

    Anyone from Victoria
  22. Dr-Surgeon

    Dr-Surgeon Guest

    Plz Help meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

    Hi all, I am a second year general surgery resident, I will take the Off-shore amc mcq on July, can you please tell about anyway I can work in Australia as a visiting resident or GP or ER officer before I pass the AMC?
    I heard that a lot of people did it....plz help meeeeeeeee
    thanks a lot
  23. julina.lyra

    julina.lyra Guest

    bout getting jobs at au need areas

    Hi all!
    Im another immigrant sudying for AMC test, keen to sit it a september, meanwhile would like to have some info of how to apply job job vacancies, how to get medical board conditional registration?

    Thanks for helping!!
    best regards
    64-02102409851 :lol:
  24. Usually it is hard to apply for a job without the AMC Pt 1 unless you are from UK/Germany etc.

    Best to do the Pt 1 first and then apply. Also with regards to jobs, the beginning of the year is usually the tightest in terms of job availability(Jan- March). Usually better opp towards the end of the year. You might have to try for regional hospitals and hospitals in the outskirts of the major cities
  25. Guest

    Guest Guest

    guidance needed!!


    im a final yr med student(asian).after pouring over the forum n reading through doctors grave experiences i literally dread cumin to australia wen other parts of the world respect ur skin n ur profession in a much compliable manner!!
    Actually my fiance is in australia since 4 years an v vl b getting married towards de end of next year wen i hav to jump in da boat i really need experinced and concrete guidance of how to go about everything.which examz to take n wen,which speciality or subspeciality to choose or any other thing u ppl like to inform or warn about.. il b very grateful!!

    il definitely acknowledge this forum...its doin a great job!
    keep up wid da good work..its a great help!!

  26. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Dear Immigrant doctor....

    I think ur description of the life in Australia is an eye opener for many aspirants like me....I'm a GP from India and working in the gulf for the last 15 yrs..not really happy with my work and future coz having worked so long i can't even get citizenship...i have no plans to work in the AON after ur description but my wife, who is a paediatrician wishes to do her Fellowship in neonatology fm australia..and since I've admistration experience would like to work or get trained in medical administration....could u kindly advice on the scope for the above to go about..are they training posts we get stipend..where can i get the address to apply...thanks
  27. Guest

    Guest Guest

    To dear all....I'm a GP working in the gulf as a GP with interest in getting trained in ER, trauma do apply for training posts in these specialities...i wish to work for few years n get back to my home land....kindly advice....Anand
  28. A medical examination that's too cruel for words


    Tanveer Ahmed
    June 3, 2008

    I have just failed my final examination before being deemed a medical specialist, along with half the people who sat the exam. This is despite each and every candidate being of the highest calibre, then working in the field for several years and undertaking backbreaking preparation for several months.

    A large proportion of the candidates had never failed anything academic before this final hurdle. A considerable number were sitting for the third or fourth time.

    Each had to pay several thousand dollars for the privilege.

    Welcome to the college system of training doctors. It is a system grounded in traditions and old-school philosophies, much of it a throwback to the English guilds of previous centuries. Until recently, the results of these exams were handed to the candidates in the hallowed halls of college buildings.

    A door would then open for those who passed, who were offered a glass of sherry or soft drink, while those who failed were given directions to the nearest taxi rank.

    There are few professional equivalents as archaic. The closest would possibly be the bar association for barristers, but even they have examination pass rates of up to 80 per cent. The market is then free to value their services accordingly.

    If a university course were run where half the students failed, the course would quickly be modified, dropped or there would be an urgent review of the selection processes.

    If a business undertook training of staff for a particular task and later found half to be incapable of doing so, the business would be highly dissatisfied and undertake immediate measures to ensure the vast majority were ready.

    They would have every incentive to do so.

    The colleges have absolutely no incentive to pass anyone. Each and every person who passes represents a new competitor with access to the total pool of fees from specialist services. The same doctors deemed unqualified to practise independently are often doing the work of the specialists within the public hospital system while their bosses are running lucrative private practices.

    The system is a reflection of the many inefficiencies and difficulties of our health system - rule by committees which are unable to respond to consumer needs and changing trends, little "outcomes measurement" and a disabling level of bureaucracy and duplication.

    Last month, just before the 2020 Summit, Dr Bill Glasson, an ophthalmologist and former president of the Australian Medical Association, called for a greater range of health professionals to address the hopeless shortage of workers that our system suffers. This kind of statement would have been a heresy during his days as the AMA boss.

    But it is a reflection that our current system of training health workers simply does not meet the needs of consumers. Nowhere is this more true than with doctors, where it takes a decade and a half to produce independent practitioners who are then grossly overqualified for the relatively routine presentations they deal with each day. And when you consider that despite this and the gross shortage of doctors, that colleges do their best to keep the numbers as low as possible, it is a travesty.

    The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission has already had multiple dealings with some colleges, particularly the surgeons, who have been forced to amend many of their practices as a result. And this year there has been a submission to the ACCC by a group representing training psychiatrists. If that is not enough, the Productivity Commission is investigating the low pass rates in several colleges.

    As monopolies go, one feels that the number is almost up for this one. Macquarie University is attempting to set up an alternative path for training surgeons, despite huge disapproval from specialist bodies such as the AMA.

    In Britain, the system has been overturned, for many of the reasons stated above.

    While it has been implemented poorly and caused initial chaos, there is widespread agreement in Britain that doctors' training will be shorter, more streamlined and better equipped to deal with the public's needs.

    Any changes here will take time. Meanwhile, I remember what a silver-haired eminent cardiologist said in my final year of university. After a casual teaching session, he gave me a stern look and said: "Son, now that you're almost finished the course, my advice to you is to get out as soon as you can. Things are going from bad to worse and it will be very difficult for you lot. Get out while you can."

    While I shrugged off the comments back then, now that I am demoralised and heavy with resentment, trapped within a public hospital system that utterly devalues me, I feel he was right. I regret not taking his advice.

    Tanveer Ahmed is a psychiatry registrar.
  29. Aymoon

    Aymoon Guest

    How MRCP works in Australaia ??

    what does MRCP mean to Austrlaian medical council , regarding licsense and medical practice there ???
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  31. Guest

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    Boris sacks Aussie aide


    Arjun Ramachandran
    June 23, 2008 - 2:52PM

    Mr McGrath was recorded on tape saying: 'Well, let them go if they don't like it here'

    Boris Johnson ... said keeping Mr McGrath as his adviser would provide "ammunition for those who wish to deliberately misrepresent our clear and unambiguous opposition to any racist tendencies".

    Boris Johnson ... said keeping Mr McGrath as his adviser would provide "ammunition for those who wish to deliberately misrepresent our clear and unambiguous opposition to any racist tendencies".
    Photo: Graeme Robertson

    A race row has forced London Mayor Boris Johnson to sack his Australian-born political adviser.

    James McGrath, 34, was recorded as saying that older African-Caribbean people should move to the Caribbean if they were unhappy living in a Tory-controlled London, The Guardian reported.

    Mr McGrath was recorded on tape saying: "Well, let them go if they don't like it here."

    While stating Mr McGrath was "not a racist", the mayor said keeping Mr McGrath as his adviser would provide "ammunition for those who wish to deliberately misrepresent our clear and unambiguous opposition to any racist tendencies".

    Mr McGrath had made his comments to journalist Marc Wadsworth, The Guardian reported.

    Wadsworth had reportedly asked Mr McGrath about an article that said Mr Johnson's election as mayor might trigger a mass exodus of older African-Caribbean migrants back to the West Indies.

    Wadsworth wrote on his blog that McGrath responded: "Well, let them go if they don't like it here."

    The Guardian reported that Mr McGrath's sacking came after Mr Johnson's office had first insisted Mr McGrath had done nothing wrong, if his remarks were considered in the context of hostile questioning from Wadsworth.

    In a statement, Mr McGrath defended himself by saying he was "an immigrant myself".

    He wrote: "I felt that this suggestion [that Mr Johnson's election might trigger an exodus of older African-Caribbean migrants] was ridiculous and intended as a slur and responded by saying with words to the effect of 'Let people go if they don't like it here.' "

    Wadsworth welcomed the resignation.

    "James McGrath has done the right thing, though I had not called for him to resign. I just wanted a dialogue with him."
  32. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Hi, I am from South Africa. Qualified from Pretoria University and with 30 years private practice and ED experience not the normal fool like now being fabricated in SA as a medical 'doc'. For Canberra immigration I was unfit to get a working VISA. I think Australia does not need any foreign doctors with Immigration being brain dead.
    Andre v Coller Libya North Africa. M. Fam Med,
    Here I can a get permanent resident permit after weeks.
  33. DRX

    DRX Guest

    Sad is, I am fully registered in the UK, had a staff grade job in Burton on trent, GMC did not require the PLAB from me ( internship done in south america, residency in Germany and Iam Italian. never trained in the UK....)then my partner decided to come to Australia and I left my job in the UK but the AMC won't let me take the competent authority pathway .....GO FIGURE....It's all about the money, disgusting.
  34. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Australia, land of the fair go (as long as you're not foreign)

    The Age
    * Helen Szoke
    * July 18, 2008

    WHAT does it take to get a job in this state if you are Sudanese, Congolese, Burmese, Iraqi, Somali or any other recent arrival from a non-English-speaking country?

    Clearly a lot, according to the Harnessing Diversity research report being released today by the Victorian Equal Opportunity and Human Rights Commission and the Victorian Multicultural Commission.

    At a time when we are hearing so much about labour market shortages and skill shortages, Harnessing Diversity reveals stories of people who have lived in Victoria for some time, can't get their overseas work experience recognised and can't get a job. How can this be so, when we know that some sectors of the job market are running at 20% vacancy rates, when employers are using all sorts of strategies to retain workers because of labour market shortages?

    Harnessing Diversity makes it clear that racial discrimination is behind many of the rejections people from culturally and linguistically diverse backgrounds face. While much of the blatant racism and name-calling is a thing of the past, the discrimination people face today is more subtle, entrenched and much more difficult to identify and deal with.

    This sort of discrimination is so systemic that often people don't even realise their own biases and bigotry.

    Take, for example, the research on people with Arabic-sounding names who failed to win an interview until they changed their names on their applications to ones that sounded Anglo-Saxon. There are even reports that some recruitment agencies recommend applicants change their names so that they can get an interview.

    The evidence is clear. Even Australian qualifications don't always help. Sunil, a teacher, with qualifications in mathematics and science, failed to gain a teaching position despite a shortage of maths and science teachers. Sunil is Indian. Then there is the Sudanese man who qualified as a nurse overseas, but to have that qualification recognised has to undertake further training — but he needs an income to pay for this. Or the qualified vet from Sudan who needs to undertake further training but cannot afford the expensive text books.

    Under-employment and unemployment are serious problems for many skilled migrants and refugees. They are also serious problems for the whole community, which has to manage the consequences. These problems lead to economic instability and a greater reliance on government support. When that unemployment has been accompanied by experiences of racial discrimination, you can add psychological problems to the equation. In its 2007 report, More than Tolerance: Embracing Diversity for Health, VicHealth shows that the experience of discrimination can lead to mental health problems, placing an additional burden on the individual and the community.

    The stories in Harnessing Diversity suggest that challenging racial discrimination in employment could provide one of the keys to solving the labour shortage. To continue to advance Victoria's claim to be a multicultural, inclusive, modern democracy, we need to ensure that workforce participation is maximised to enable economic and human rights protection to everyone in our community.

    There are a number of ways to tackle this.

    The first is that the Government, as our largest employer, can demonstrate leadership by reducing discrimination in its own recruitment and promotion practices within the public service. This includes active recruitment of people from different cultural backgrounds, mentoring and support for disadvantaged members of culturally and linguistically diverse communities.

    Second, highlighting those organisations and individuals who demonstrate best practice and encouraging others to do

    the same will help challenge some of the negative attitudes and practices against people from culturally and linguistically diverse backgrounds.

    Third, migrant job seekers need to be actively supported through initiatives such as professional bridging programs, workplace mentoring and work experience, help with costs of upgrading qualifications and relocation expenses to match migrants with work outside metropolitan Melbourne.

    The land of the fair go is an illusion for many migrants.
    It can only become a reality with practical initiatives that break through the systemic and often internalised racism that still exists. We know from more than 30 years of equal opportunity laws that treating everyone the same does not deliver real equality.

    The present review of the Equal Opportunity Act provides an important opportunity to modernise our equality laws to actually begin to focus our attention on equal outcomes not just equal treatment. For many migrants and refugees this means that additional measures need to be put in place to enable them to contribute to the economic prosperity of Victoria, as well as enabling them to be part of our community.

    Dr Helen Szoke is chief conciliator/chief executive officer of Victorian Equal Opportunity and Human Rights Commission. Harnessing Diversity is at
  35. Guest

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    Karadzic hid in plain view to elude capture

    Sydney Morning Herald
    July 23, 2008 - 7:24AM

    For more than a decade, the world's most-wanted war crimes fugitive displayed a talent for eluding international justice. His secret? Hide in plain sight.

    In a ruse worthy of any thriller, Radovan Karadzic transformed himself from a leader instantly recognizable by his famous shock of salt-and-pepper hair into a man resembling a New Age mystic, with a flowing white beard and black robe.

    Believed to be protected by a coterie of ultra-nationalists, the former Bosnian Serb strongman - a doctor and psychiatrist who received training in the U.S. - worked at an alternative medicine clinic in Belgrade.

    Karadzic's disguise was so effective that prosecutors say he walked freely around town without being noticed and even his landlords didn't know his true identity.

    A photograph displayed by prosecutors at a news conference Tuesday showed a gaunt elderly man unrecognizable from the robust warlord who strutted brashly before his troops during the 1992-1995 Bosnian war.

    That life on the run ended abruptly with Karadzic's capture Monday - an arrest made possible by the election of a new pro-Western government that tightened the dragnet around the war crimes suspect.

    Many observers have long suspected that recently fallen prime minister Vojislav Kostunica, a nationalist with close ties to Karadzic during the Bosnian war, had shielded him from arrest.

    Karadzic's capture has broad political implications - for the future of the U.N. war crimes tribunal, eventual closure of the cycle of Balkan blood feuds and for Serbia's fitful journey out of international isolation.

    The wartime Bosnian Serb leader stands accused of genocide for masterminding the deadly siege of Sarajevo and the massacre of 8,000 Muslim men and boys at Srebrenica, Europe's worst carnage since the end of World War II.

    The fugitive had been masquerading as an expert in "human quantum energy" using the fake name "D.D. David" printed on his business card. The initials apparently stood for Dragan Dabic, an alias authorities said he used.

    He even had his own Web site - - and gave lectures before hundreds of people on alternative medicine. The site displays pictures of metallic bullet-shaped amulets and Orthodox crosses with wires running out of them.

    TV footage provided by a local station to Associated Press Television News shows Karadzic sitting on a panel at a medical conference, glancing nervously at the cameraman next to him - another glimpse into his knife's-edge life of hiding in plain view.

    Using his alias, Karadzic was a regular contributor to the Serbian alternative medicine magazine "Healthy Life;" its editor Goran Kojic said he was stunned when he saw the photo of Karadzic on TV and realized the bizarre truth.

    "It never even occurred to me that this man with a long white beard and hair was Karadzic," said Kojic. "He was eloquent and a bit strange, like a true bohemian."

    Karadzic's whereabouts had been a mystery since he went on the run in 1998, with his hideouts reportedly including monasteries and mountain caves in remote eastern Bosnia. The U.S. set a $5 million bounty for his arrest.

    For years it has been widely assumed that Karadzic's whereabouts were known to nationalist supporters and even to high-ranking Serbian officials. One cartoon depicted Karadzic clandestinely enjoying the company of Kostunica himself. But in the murky labyrinth of postwar Serbia, such accusations could never quite be proven.

    The picture painted by officials suggested a successful search - as opposed to the end of protection.

    But few in Serbia failed to link the capture to the recent establishment of a largely pro-Western government committed to bringing Serbia into the European Union, which has been demanding the handover of war criminals.

    EU officials said Tuesday the arrest would boost Serbia's EU prospects.

    "After Karadzic's arrest, Serbia is on a good road to the European Union and the arrest of the remaining war crimes fugitives," said former Serbian Foreign Minister Goran Svilanovic.

    Serbian security services said they found Karadzic Monday while looking for another top war crimes suspect facing genocide charges, Bosnian Serb wartime commander Gen. Ratko Mladic. The connection - why the search for one led to the other - was not explained.

    Prosecutors said Karadzic was arrested while waiting for a bus in a grim part of Belgrade known as a nationalist stronghold. Authorities refused to reveal more details, saying Karadzic's movements were being analyzed and would be kept secret until Mladic's capture.

    "We are absolutely determined to finish this job," said Rasim Ljajic, a Serbian government official in charge of war crimes.

    Karadzic's lawyer Sveta Vujcic claimed his client was arrested Friday, not on Monday as authorities say. He said Karadzic was hooded during the capture and kept for three days in solitary confinement.

    A judge ordered Karadzic's transfer to the U.N. war crimes tribunal in The Hague, Netherlands, to face genocide charges, war crimes prosecutor Vladimir Vukcevic said. Karadzic has three days to appeal the ruling.

    Karadzic's family in Bosnia, banned from leaving the country over suspicions they helped him elude capture, asked Tuesday to have the restrictions lifted, his daughter told The Associated Press.

    Sonja Karadzic said family members want to spend at least a few hours with Karadzic before his transfer to U.N. custody.

    "We even suggested traveling under police escort to see him for at least for a few hours," she said. "For years we have not seen our father, husband and grandfather. My mother's health is not very good, and we do not have the financial means necessary to travel to the Netherlands."

    During the siege of Sarajevo that began in 1992, Bosnian Serb troops starved, sniped at and bombarded the population, operating from strongholds in Pale and Vraca high above the city, and controlling nearly all roads in and out.

    Inhabitants were kept alive by a fragile lifeline of food aid and supplies provided by U.N. donors and peacekeepers. Walking down the street to shop for groceries or driving down a main road that became known as "Sniper Alley" was a risk to their lives.

    The siege was not officially over until February 1996. An estimated 10,000 people died in Sarajevo.

    The worst massacre of the war was in Srebrenica in 1995, when Serb troops led by Mladic overran the U.N.-protected enclave sheltering Bosnian Muslims. Mladic's troops rounded up the entire population and took the men and boys away for execution.

    By war's end in late 1995, an estimated 250,000 people were dead and another 1.8 million driven from their homes.

    Under the U.N. indictment, Karadzic faces 11 counts of genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity and other atrocities committed between 1992 to 1996.

    In Sarajevo, Bosnian Muslims rushed into the streets Monday night to celebrate the news of Karadzic's arrest.

    "We have been waiting for 13 years and we lost hope. Now we know - there is justice," said Kada Hotic, a survivor of Srebrenica massacre.


    Australia continues in its spectacular tradition of hosting criminals whilst giving well qualified OTDs an astonishingly hard time and also, in some cases falsifying allegations against them. This interesting revelation may be the tip of the iceberg of taking action against a person pretending to be a doctor - but the issue is not of medical practice but instead that he is a wanted criminal! The Medical Board should be investigated for being 'incompetent' in dealing with this rapidly. One is also interested in how he entered Australia (as a white man) whilst innocent persons like Dr Haneef and others get differential treatment and get falsely accused.
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    Australia's growing ... except for NSW

    Gerard Noonan
    July 23, 2008 - 1:23PM

    Australia is growing steadily, its cities are growing faster than country regions, but NSW continues to lose its population faster than any other state.

    Australians also like to volunteer their services, with one in five adults undertaking a voluntary task each fortnight, and they're more likely to volunteer if they're healthy.

    And they're more likely to have visited a naturopath, acupuncurist or chiropractor over the past few decades.

    While the number of alternative health practitioners had almost doubled since 1996 top 8600, visits have increased by 50 per cent to around three quarters of a million in the same period. Almost a quarter of a million people had visited an alternative health practitioner in a sample two- week period.

    Welcome to Australian Social Trends, the annual snapshot of national life produced by the Australian Bureau of Statistics.

    The survey is drawn from a mass of data - some of it already published but much unpublished - taken from the five-yearly ABS census and aimed at looking at contemporary social issues and areas which concern public policy makers.

    Over the past decade, the nation swelled by 2.5 million people to 21 million by June 2007, with the greatest increase in population - 315,700 - happening in the past year. It's expected to reach 28 million by the middle of the century.

    Over the past decade, a slightly higher proportion of Australian households rented their homes (28.5 per cent), up 1.5 per cent.

    And perhaps not surprisingly, they moved around a lot more than owner occupiers.

    More than a third of all renters had changed address in the past year, three times the rate of their occupiers.

    But the profile of renters varied substantially with age, with the average age of renters being 37 years, 15 years younger than the median age for owner occupied households.

    And the decision to rent rather than own mattered a lot if the household had a sole parent.

    Sixty per cent of lone parent households with dependent children were renting, almost three times the rate of couples with dependent children. The ABS says this reflected relatively lower incomes for single parent families.

    Public transport is becoming a more familiar way for adults to get to work, but it's still a minority of citizens who use buses, trains and trams. Nineteen per cent of city-based workers now use public transport daily, compared to 16 per cent a decade ago.

    And internet access at home has ballooned over the past decade, with just under two thirds (64 per cent) of households with access, up from 16 per cent in 1998.

    "Some government services, such as E-tax, child support and a range of Medicare functions, are now available online," according to the ABS.

    "News services, internet shopping, and personal communications such as email, instant messaging and social networking sites are also increasingly a feature of people's daily lives."

    While it's predominantly a younger age group which uses the internet at home, there have been significant increases in people aged over 55 using the internet.

    In 2004, around 40 per cent of people aged between 55 and 64 used the internet, but within two years the takeup rate had lifted to 55 per cent.

    Gerard Noonan is the Herald's Social Issues Editor
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    I was too afraid to sleep

    Sydney Morning Herald
    Nightmares ... ABC foreign correspondent Peter Lloyd in Singapore.

    July 27, 2008

    ABC foreign correspondent Peter Lloyd has vowed to stay in Singapore to face drug charges that could lead to him being jailed for 20 years.

    While there have been calls for him to run, Lloyd, 41, told The Sun-Herald yesterday: "I've never ever considered attempting to flee. I will remain in Singapore."

    In his first interview since being charged with trafficking and possessing drugs he revealed he had been suffering traumatic flashbacks and nightmares after covering the region's tragedies, such as the Bali bombings and the tsunami.

    These had left him too afraid to sleep, a phobia which peaked in the two months leading up to his July 16 arrest, he said.

    Lloyd - who separated from wife Kirsty McIvor six months ago and declared himself gay - faces a maximum sentence of 20 years and 15 strokes of the rattan cane for allegedly selling 0.15 grams of ice for $76 to a Singaporean man at the York Hotel on July 9.

    Police also allegedly found 0.41 grams of the methamphetamine on him, along with utensils bearing traces of ice and the veterinary drug Special K, when he was arrested at Mount Elizabeth Hospital a week later. He was based in New Delhi but was in Singapore to seek treatment for an eye infection.

    Yesterday he said he did not have a wild or risk-taking personality and the infection was "in no way connected with drugs".

    Lloyd's partner, Malay-Singaporean Mohamed Mazlee bin Abdul Malik, posted $S60,000 ($45,000) bail for him to walk free on Wednesday. During Lloyd's next court appearance, on Friday, Mr Malik appeared upset, clutching the hand of Lloyd's sister, Cathy Mulcahy.

    Lloyd - who is yet to enter a plea - is due back in court on Friday.

    "I've been really boosted by the flood of support [from] my family and friends," he said yesterday. "Having Cathy here has made a huge difference to things. She's been a real source of strength.

    "Obviously, I've had my highs and lows but I'm getting a lot of help on working on things. I am extremely grateful and encouraged by messages of support."

    Lloyd thanked media and ABC colleagues such as Tim Palmer.

    Mr Palmer said in Singapore: "Peter's been through some of the toughest experiences anyone could face: that's not just over weeks or months, but over years. He's seen more death, injury, violence and grief than many soldiers or paramedics would see in a career.

    "I'm not saying that any of that has led to anything that might or might not have happened but, in understanding Peter's recent past, it's obviously a huge factor."

    Lloyd has been the ABC South Asia correspondent since mid-2002, based in Bangkok before moving to New Delhi in 2006.

    Lloyd said he had covered many tragedies - spending days among piled bodies in a Bali mortuary after the October 2002 bombings; interviewing a woman whose Down syndrome son was swept away in the 2004 Asian tsunami; and returning to the mortuary after last October's bombings in Karachi, Pakistan, which he considered a "second Bali".

    The Sun-Herald can reveal Lloyd has signed up a former leading Singapore prosecutor, Hamidul Haq, to his defence team.

    Mr Haq successfully prosecuted Singapore's first case involving recreational drugs in 2000 when local actor Michelle Low Lin Lin was jailed for 18 months for possessing cocaine at a nightclub.

    A legal source said prosecutors were "scraping the bottom of the barrel" to find new charges to make an example of Lloyd.

    "Recreational drugs are not accepted and anything to do with it [the Singapore Government] will come down like a ton of bricks," the source said.

    Some commentators have suggested Lloyd should jump bail and run. The legal source said if he did he would never be able to return to Australia due to an extradition agreement between the countries.

    "If I were to jump, I would not go to a country with a treaty. I should go to Indonesia or Thailand. I have seen some people do it," he said.


    It Oz, when an OTD is targetted, whether he runs or stays, he suffers. This is to mean, if he runs, a Dr Death is done on him (even though Dr Patel did not really run but completed his contract and left).

    If he stays, a Galileo is done on him (i.e. framed on false allegations) and his career destroyed.

    If they wished to test a new law, they use a Dr Haneef. (again, his career is in tatters)

    In Singapore, only the truth is vigorously pursued for people like Peter Lloyd and his partner was even kind hearted enough to post bail for him.

    See the difference between civilisation and criminality?
  38. Dear all,
    I'm an MD Medicine in India, with one n half yrs post PG experience. I want to work as a physician in general medicine downunder, and later maybe try to specialise in Gastroenterology. Should i apply apply directly to hospitals or sit AMC?
    Also what kind of work i can expect to get, i mean clerical or some quality work, or it usually gets down to weekend and night shifts?
    Hope for your patience and time to reply.
    Take care.
  39. Guest

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    respected sir or medam
    i am sivalingam thayaparan.i was gratuated from russian medical academy on last month so i am new medical doctor. now i am in sri lanka.i want to take a work in australia because of many problem in sri lanka.i lost my father by this war and some of my family members also died by this war. its means we are not terrorists.we just simple people. in sri lanka there is no any life security for please take mention of our family and give me the simple tips in any medical firm in AUSTRALIA
  40. Guest

    Guest Guest

    People i am a pakistani yet a medical student by June 2009 i will be graduating. What prospects do i have?? I want to come to australia as Us and Uk are almost near to impossible for Pakis these days!!!

  41. drdgdek

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    Wake up OTDs

    Please Wake up OTDs,
    You have the rights to talk, especially to OTDs who are citizens of Australia. Now OET exam is getting more and more difficult in stupid way. It was totally unrelevent to medical profession in recent exams. The last exam was a good example. The listening section was a total double "bullshit".It was like a conversation of illitrates in a bar outback Australia. It was not a standard professional medical conservation which is used in Hospital. It was merely a way to fail you so that they can make more money from tuitions and exams.
    Some of the cases in AMC clinical exam are totally unrelevant and they looked so stupid. In May 2008, one of the stupid cases is a case of melanoma. The case goes like a man came to your GP to get the result and get further management as he had received a biopsy take for suspicious melanoma. Well, who the hell will do biopsy from suspicious from melanoma as it can spread the cancer!
    Another foolish case is from AMC hand book of clinical assessment , condition 105,page 571. It is about abdominal pain and vaginal bleeding after 8 weeks amenorrhoea.In which ,the critical error is inappropriate investigation requested such as pregnancy test after the results of physical examination are known, ultrasound examination or coagulation screening. How can one say 100% sure that this is simple abortion and not H'moles ? How can one say 100% sure that it is complete abortion with US check? How can one 100% sure to exclude bleeding disorder like DIC with history & physical exam alone . This was an absolute rubbish case that make nosense at all.Yet, It is in a book where all OTDs have to read like their BIble. I can't imagine someone from other countries like US or UK read that particular case.It is a disgrace to all OTDs who is reading like Bible .
    One bad experience was in career expo 2 months ago in 2008. One OTDs talked about his bad experience about OET. He said he couldn't passed all component of OET at a time , although he had passed individually in several times. And one stupid lady said '' You come to Australia , so you need to obey the rule here". Well, in Australia, all the rules can be changed by Australian Citizens. It is a true democratic society. There is a huge shortage of Doctors in Australia but here the are many OTDs who are Australian Citizens who can't applied jobs because the English Certificates are expired but they all have once passed the requirement of English language before taking MCQ exam.

    Austalia is still the only country where OTDs have to take English test after AMC clinical exam . In UK and in USA, you only need to to complete English Test just once for the whole process, for example in MRCP exam you only need to pass IELTS once before clinical exam and in PLAB exam you only need to pass IELTS once before you take MCQ exam and there is no more English language Test after the clinical exam to apply registration.In US, once you pass the clinical exam you are regarded as proficient in language skill and there is no more English test.
    It is claimed that AMC exam is equavelent to the knowledge of final year medical students. But, nobody every question how the Australian Medical Council (AMC)can make sure that the AMC exam is as equal as the exam of final year medical school exam . The pass rate of AMC exam is about 40% to 50% where as the pass rate of students in Medical School in Melbourne or Monash Uni is about 90%. OTDs in AMC exam are assessed by examiners from different Universities and different specialist medical colleges all over Australia. Medical students in their exam are assessed by their teachers in their own University.In AMC clinical exam , the cases and MCQs are unpredictable and are seem to be choosen from a pool of ever expending bank of questions. But , in Medical school in Uni, the exam is a mear curriculum recall . In Australia, there are many Medical schools with their own exam system which is a bit different from one another. There is no such things as medical board exam(USMLE) in Austalia as it is in US.If you graduate from any medical school in Australia, you are regard as equal to any medical graduate from any Uni in Australian without a board exam, "look foolish but it is real". No more exam after graduation in Australia.But ,in US and Canada every medical students as well as OTDs have to take the same borad exam(USMLE). Only in this kind of standardized exam we can compare the standard of medical knowledge and skill of each doctor. There is no such case in Australia. So, there is no such think as Australian standard of medical knowledge and skill for a doctor as each University is running it own exam. Well , only OTDs have one common exam in Australia which is AMC exam which is organised by AMC . So , the claim that the AMC exam is equavelent to final year medical student knowledge is obviously spurious and have not much credibilities.
    Yet, if you pass the AMC exam ,you are in the last preference in Job application or HMO matching.If you fail AMC clinical exam you need to wait 2 years to get another test. What a waste of time!
    Well , OTDs Austrlian Citizens, we have a huge shortage of medical workforce and you can't apply for the job after AMC exam. It makes no sense at all. Speak out! The system need to be changed for the sake of all Australians.

    God bless Australia.
  42. rub

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    hi :D
    i am australian immigrant , want to come to australia for ever
    can same one help me ,pls :( tell me what i have to do
    where to start from ,pllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllz need help urgent
  43. Guest

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    Crowded hospitals cause 1500 deaths a year, report says

    The Age
    * Julia Medew
    * September 13, 2008

    MORE than 1500 people are dying unnecessarily every year because of overcrowding in Australian hospital emergency departments, a report has revealed.

    A lack of resources to move patients out of emergency departments into hospital beds for treatment meant people were dying at the same rate as those in road accidents, the report by the Australasian College for Emergency Medicine said.

    Most of the deaths were from heart attacks not treated quickly enough or delayed antibiotics for serious infections such as pneumonia.

    Doctors at a conference held by the college yesterday said overcrowding also led to thousands of "near misses" every year.

    One doctor spoke of a young woman who narrowly escaped death recently after bleeding internally for eight hours in an emergency department because doctors had overlooked an ectopic pregnancy.

    The study's author, Associate Professor Drew Richardson from Australian National University, said data showed low-risk patients were also 70% more likely to die in the chaos of emergency departments operating beyond capacity.

    "Waiting too long for a hospital bed prolongs your treatment and increases the chances of a poor outcome," he said.

    The most vulnerable patients were the elderly, mentally ill and those arriving by ambulance or after hours.

    Professor Richardson said the main cause of blocked emergency departments was a massive increase in emergency admissions with almost no increase in hospital beds for those patients to move into. Between 2002 and 2007, bed numbers in Australian hospitals stayed almost the same while demand for medical treatment in emergency departments soared 38%.

    A snapshot of 20 Victorian emergency departments on Monday, September 1, at 10am revealed more than 200 patients had been waiting for a hospital bed for longer than eight hours, Professor Richardson said.

    Of all the states, Victorian hospitals had the least available patient spaces equipped with basic tools for an emergency, such as oxygen and suction, at the time.

    Doctors at the conference labelled the statistics a disgrace and were annoyed federal Health Minister Nicola Roxon delivered a speech to them without staying to hear their views. They said the problem was demoralising and had caused many doctors and nurses to leave the public hospital system. The college called for more beds and ongoing funding to help solve the problem, but Ms Roxon said there was no simple solution requiring a one-off cash injection.

    Ms Roxon said the Government would work with the states and territories, health professionals and members of the community to find lasting solutions.


    OTDs: if you are unlucky and if the hospital management is dysfunctional and wish to cover more up, they will shift the blame to your butt
  44. Guest

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    Hi everybody!

    I am medical student and waiting 4 the result of final examination. It is high time i supposed to decide about my future planning.

    I am grateful to all the doctors in the forum who r showing the path.

    Some questions have arisen in mind.
    I will be grateful if anyone replies my query.

    Is there any escope to acquire MRCP degree for an immigrant doctor?
  45. Guest

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    dear dr dgdek and other respected OTDs,

    all of your messages in this forum are the guidelines for those who are eager to work as a doctor in AUS.

    I have just completed my graduation. I wanna work as a doctor in AUS. I have a chance to acquire PERMANENT RESIDENCE. Do I have any prospect?

    Is there anyone who can guide me on this regard. I will be grateful forever.

    Dear dr dgdek,
    u mentioned in ur message(Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:54 pm Post subject: Wake up OTDs) that one who fails in AMC clinical exam has to wait for 2 yrs for the next test.
    May I know that can he get any job as he has already passed the MCQ.

    Waiting for anybody's benevolent answer.
  46. Guest

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    Hi respected sir /medam
    I am sivalingam thayaparan. I was graduated in medicine on 11 june,2008. I am from sri lanka but I was finish my medical graduation in Russia. The name of academy is st/Petersburg state medical academy after i.i.mechnicov. now I am in sri lanka..and. Because I would like to do specialization in medicine or surgery(I mean post graduation/master).so is it possible to do this course or any other medical programs in australian universities?. So please tell me about your all the rules and regulations including about visa matters,sponsors, and fees. Thank you very much sir
    Your faith fully and kindly requsting
    Dr.thayaparan sivalingam
  47. Guest

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    hai, thanking you for your explanation regarding the practise in australia.
    i am dr laxmana swamy from india undergoing my genl surgery post graduation. iam planning to appear for a m c - m c q exam next march. could i do surgical practice there? and how is the condition for osts surgeons.
  48. Guest

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    genl surgery practice in australia

    hai, thanking you for your explanation regarding the practise in australia.
    i am dr laxmana swamy from india undergoing my genl surgery post graduation. iam planning to appear for a m c - m c q exam next march. could i do surgical practice there? and how is the condition for osts surgeons.
  49. doc-6

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    getting worse

    situation is getting worse day by day in australia for overseas doctors,there is no jobs after mcq ,i have been waiting for one year and waiting for clinical exam date,have not got it yet,please get full information before coming to australia,situation is going to be like UK in next year,
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    AUSTRALIA is widening its search for Indian-trained doctors, setting up five new medical exam sites on the subcontinent to test potential recruits.

    After tightening the requirements for international medical graduates coming to Australia in July, the Australian Medical Council wants to ensure the result is not a worsening doctor drought.

    The new sites for the multiple choice question (MCQ) examination —Bangalore, Chennai, Hyderabad, Mumbai and New Delhi— will be operating by the end of the year.

    International doctors without qualifications from a recognised medical school must now pass the MCQ test before they can practise in Australia.

    With an MCQ pass rate of just 50%, it has been predicted the new requirement will lead to a significant decline in the number of temporary resident doctors working in Australia, particularly in rural and regional areas.

    In the three years to June 2008, the number of temporary-resident IMGs practising in Australia jumped from about 1500 to more than 4000, with a large proportion coming from India, China, the Philippines and the Middle East, according to Federal Government figures.

    Professor Bob Birrell, director of the Centre for Population and Urban Research at Monash University, said the new exam sites were needed to meet the doctor supply challenge.

    “They [the AMC] had to make the test compulsory, but there is concern it will slow the numbers of doctors, so they are trying to facilitate entry for those who can pass,” Professor Birrell said.

    “We have a deep and long-lasting reliance on overseas-trained doctors and we have not got much choice but to continue under that circumstance. But at least now there is a prior assessment of medical knowledge before doctors start practising.”

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