Thinking about coming to Australia?

Discussion in 'Australian Medical Council (AMC) EXAM' started by An immigrant doc, Aug 11, 2007.

  1. pommie Jon

    pommie Jon Guest

    10 year moratorium

    Thank you all for your replies.

    I am currently practising in Australia - and have been so for almost 5 years. The inequity in the system is quite startling.

    The Human Rights Act (HRA) was put in place in 1975 and "trumps" all state laws that may contravene its (federally mandated) parts. Section 10 of the HRA is the operative part in this case.

    The only way to challenge s19AB is either by the route above or through lobbying for change by federal MPs. I have tried this latter to no effect (at all) so far.

    Also note that the Human Rights & Equality Commission (HREOC) will not intervene in this case as they have only a mandate to work under section 9 of the HRA - s10 is beyond their mandate. Hence my case was turned down by them.

    The ACCC, similarly, will not look into the (obvious) competition breaches inherent in s19AB as it is federally mandated.

    So, the only course left open is a legal challenge, as far as I can see.
  2. No HRA 1975!

    Sorry mate! You appear to be wrong...there is NO HRA 1975 - it is the Racial Discrimination Act 1975 but there is a

    Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission Act 1986

    to give you another smoke screen!

    If you do not believe me just google the Australian Google page!

    Cheers and have another beer!

    Pommie BasXXXX
  3. Legal Challenge

    Do be beguiled into going to Australia: the market will soon be filled by their own graduates whilst you are struggling to meet requirements and additional requirements put up at the discretion of some petty College official. It is just there to stop and hinder you.

    The Act mention above works in a practical sense and has not seen any legal challenge to date. But, you can pick holes in it as it is not truly water tight.

    Anyone wants to coordinate a class action?

    The threshold of what is reasonable in Australia is not easily canvassed as compared to the law in the UK. Being unreasonable is part of the culture and many people accept it.

    In other words, it is acceptable to be VERY MEAN in all spheres of life in Australia!
  4. pommie Jon

    pommie Jon Guest


    Pommie Bas - you are quite right. It is the RDA 1975 and I shouldn't have been putting information up on this forum whilst knackered on night shift!

    In any event, the law has not been adequately tested. I have put together a brief for a Admin. Law barrister (so I should bloody know it's the RDA!) who thinks there is a prima facie case.

    It will be long & difficult and too costly for me to bear - so would have to be a class action.

    What are the chances of this?
  5. Guest

    Guest Guest

    The registration laws themselves are an affront to human rights. A chap named Galileo in this forum was nicely fixed by the system and it was covered with fraud and concealment which involved an Oz college
  6. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Was that the RACP or RACS? These are the two most notorious ones acting like gambling clubs rahter than like professional collegges
  7. Galileo

    Galileo Guest

    Mine was RACP. I note that the RACP has again moved the goalposts in not automatically offering FRACPs to people who complete their requirements.

    There are new hurdles introduced....but again, who wants the FRACP? It is a fellowship of a club which is regulated by the Australian Securities and Investments Commission! There is nothing 'royal' about it as the permission to use royal was granted in 1938 and guess what date the RACP was formed? 1 Apr 1938 8)

    As someone said, in this forum, it is run like a gaming club - and this is a fact!

  8. Guest

    Guest Guest


    RACS - incorporated in 1927 as a company

    "Its various attempts in the early post-war period, to be fair both to its own pretensions and to the situation of surgeons who had matured on active service, left it open to the charge of vacillation. Not until it proved the merit of structured training programs and an exit Fellowship in the 1970s did its reputation become secure."

    (An early history of the college by W Beasley, 2001)

    Structured training programs it may be but the discretion of the Board of Censors remained - thus making it's role dubious and linked to the old boy and old school tie networks....still open to vaccilation, old as the previous posters put, like a gaming club...
  9. pommie Jon

    pommie Jon Guest


    The law underpinning the basic discrimination in medical practise - s19AB of the Health Insurance Act - may contravene parts of s10 of the Human Rights Act.

    This has not been tested.

    In a similar system, an equivalent law was overturned in 1998 (Northern Regional Health Authority vs. Human Rights Commission). So there is indirect precedent.

    A system that discriminates between citizens is inherently obviously fails the "natural justice" dictum.

    Do the forum contributors think that there is any mileage in pursuing this line through the courts?
  10. The root of the evil is the profession itself acting through the Colleges. The Medicare Benefits schedule for GPs is nothing compared with what specialists can claim....and they want you away in the region in high risk places where support is poor and where, if you are daring (or forced to be daring) like Dr J Patel, you will likely run into trouble. Of course, there were other idiosyncratic bad habits Dr J Patel was said to harbour....that is a different matter.

    What does a Class action aim to do? You may achieve a Court declaration after years of fighting and lots of money - the colleges just have to influence their mates in the Lower and Upper houses and move the amend the laws and you will be back to square one.

    The best you ought to do is to tell the world about the injustice of s19AB of the Act, so that no doctors will not come to Oz and the public will rise up in arms against the bad boys in the medical profession and the bureaucrats who toe the line.

    Only my view
  11. Guest

    Guest Guest

    yes i want to come in australia..but recent situation is quit bad..what to do i dont know..australia is my favourite one for to study further ..kindly give me suggestion..[/quote]
    stay away from this place!!!!
  12. Guest

    Guest Guest


    Lovely place for weather (except the extreme South and extreme North at times); great food and fresh fruit and veg; simple friendly people; large spaces and clean air but the downside:

    terrible criminal like bureaucrats; many unprofessional doctors and their bureaucrat friends; free crims wandering about in the world's largest open prison.....high taxes; not so good pensions; highly dependent economy (on Asia); possible crims sitting in medical boards and college committees; unaccountable medical boards and of course the AMC Inc!

    ....the pariah in the eyes of Asia but with a great current leader trying to do some spin to restore the image. A maverick in the eyes of Europe and a poodle for the USA

    still want to come? perhaps a holiday

    Gud on yer mate!
  13. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Sydney Morning Herald

    An Australian has been charged with infecting 3000 computers worldwide with viruses designed to capture banking details.

    The 20-year-old from Adelaide is also suspected of having developed software capable of launching virus attacks on 74,000 computers worldwide.

    Police believe the arrest of the man has given them intelligence likely to lead to further offenders.

    The man was arrested after a three-month investigation by electronic crime sections of South Australian Police and the Australian Federal Police.

    "It will be alleged that the arrested man unlawfully compromised over 3,000 computers throughout Australia and worldwide by infecting those computers with malicious software," SA Police said in a statement.

    The software was designed to "capture banking credentials and credit card information from compromised machines", the statement said.

    "Additionally, it is suspected that this offender had developed capabilities to launch distributed denial of service attacks with up to 74,000 worldwide."

    The man has been charged with offences including unauthorised modification of computer data, supply and possession of a computer virus with intent to commit a serious computer offence, unlawful operation of a computer system and theft.

    He will appear in Adelaide Magistrates Court next month.
  14. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Ozzie's house not in order

    The Age

    NSW the 'rust bucket' of national economy: BuswellPerth
    August 14, 2009

    While Western Australia and Queensland have been dubbed the axis of evil by NSW Treasurer Eric Roozendaal for trying to secure more GST, WA Treasurer Troy Buswell says NSW is the rust bucket of the national economy.

    Mr Roozendaal described WA and Queensland as the "axis of evil" because of their plans to work together to secure a bigger share of GST revenue ahead of a treasurers' meeting next Thursday in Canberra.

    "I see that Western Australia and Queensland have formed a so-called axis of evil against NSW and Victoria in trying to get a bigger share of GST," Mr Roozendaal said.

    He said NSW had funded the other states to the tune of $15 billion since the introduction of GST.

    "Frankly, NSW is getting very tired of funding the Gold Coast lifestyles of Queensland and WA," he said.

    Queensland Treasurer Andrew Fraser and Mr Buswell say their states are Australia's economic engine rooms and are best-placed to lead the nation out of the economic downturn.

    But on the allocation of GST funds, Queensland and WA are both "donor states", they say.

    Mr Buswell said NSW was not travelling well economically.

    "The facts are the NSW premier and the NSW treasurer, they've got a fair bit on their plates," Mr Buswell said.

    "Most people recognise they are the rust bucket of the national economy and the anchor around our neck and you know they are not travelling too well ... "

    WA claims it receives about $910 million less than its per capita share of GST while Queensland misses out on $700 million.

    Of every GST dollar, WA received just 56 cents back with the remaining 44 cents siphoned to support other states, Mr Buswell said.

    "I just don't think that's fair," he said.

    "We have a pretty strong view about GST funds and it's shared by Queensland and that's the view we put.

    "It's quite simply this: that Western Australia and Queensland deserve access. All we're asking for is a fair share of the money so that we can invest that money in supporting population growth but more importantly the economic infrastructure that our states need."

    Queensland and WA's economies would drag Australia out of recession, Mr Buswell said.

    "NSW is a mess and they'll be flat out trying to fix that up," he said.

    State and federal treasury officials will meet in Canberra on Thursday after the release of the proposed recommendations of the independent Commonwealth Grants Commission on GST revenue.

    The NSW and Victorian governments argue the proposed changes would disadvantage them, and their ability to deliver services.

  15. aussiedr

    aussiedr Guest


    I'd like to see how australian dr's are accepted in indian/aisan countries. I'm sure white Aus/eng/USA students are given first preferences over those who were born in the country.

    Quit whinging, if you want Australias lifestyle then you have to work for it - like every other white or black australian has done! Why should australian med students who have paid for their education and worked in australia not be given preference? Afterall they are the citizens.

    If the grass isn't so green on the other side then don't come here!
  16. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Exactly! Dont come here!

    What is wrong is the misrepresentation and the unfairness of the system which ranges from fraud to lies, discrimination and racism.

    I call on all overseas doctors, DO NOT BOTHER GOING TO AUSTRALIA. It is a bum place for doctors. You will ruin your career there dealing with some of these liars and wheelers and dealers - most of whom are descendents of those transported from England.
  17. asiandr

    asiandr Guest

    @ assiedr

    "I'd like to see how australian dr's are accepted in indian/aisan countries. I'm sure white Aus/eng/USA students are given first preferences over those who were born in the country."

    There you go! The epitome of misleading communication. What is this Australian doctor trying to say? Totally unclear, in my view.

    And, they are quite happy to label some OTDs as unable to communicate...get real

    My perspective:

    To me, an Aus/Eng/US doc working in an Asian country must undergo close supervision and briefing regarding the local communication issues and customs - however expert or senior they may be.

    They also need to be conversant with the local rules and corrupt/ irregular practices, if any and be alerted to/warned about these.

    Sadly, many come in and bulldoze their way through, assuming that their medicine and training superior without regard to local conditions.

    Yet they do not get "fixed" because Asians are gentle and decent people, not direct descendants of criminals and seldom are bullies.

    In 2011, following AFTA there will be some interesting changes in practice registrability with Mutual Recognition in the Asian area.

    I am sure they will never admit Australia to this scheme which (to some far sighted people) continues to proudly claim that they are Asian

    My questions to you, aussiedr:

    1. Suppose because of circumstances beyond your control you are landed in an Asian country (say, India) (or even Middle Eastern) and are forced to earn a living and to support your family practising medicine, what are your expectations of your hosts - assuming that they are 'kind'?

    2. Suppose you get head-hunted to the Middle East because of your expertise, how do you expect your hosts to treat you (supposing that they need you temporarily) ?

    The answers to these two questions will unlock answers to the majority of OTDs aspirations and hopes and assist them in deciding whether to remain in Australia or not - and, for those who are planning to come to Australia, whether to make the move.

    Your open and honest answers would be much appreciated: bear in mind that in Asia and the ME, the governments of such lands (including Burma) are also keen on protecting their own people's safety and interests - whether or not from other Asian or Aussie or any doc.

    Please do not speak on behalf of the AMC or the colleges: they are in a world of their own, (called virtual reality).

    For those of you who have left the UK over the past several years, you may be interested to know that they have realised their errors and are welcoming back Commonwealth and other doctors - a good and probably more civilised alternative to Oz
  18. docdad

    docdad Guest

    An immigrant doc

    This is an excellent article written by some immigrant doc in Oz, but to me it appears as slightly one sided and heavily loaded with negative aspects only.
    If you look at the situation in India, it is worse for doctors. Why to blame Oz docs and seniors for the discrimination, dont you get discriminated here in India on the basis of caste, region, religion and other aspects. And to have private practice here is the most difficult with every tax authority and utility service providors trying to extract money underhand from you. And may god forbid, if any patient dies, your hospital/clinic will be vandalized or burnt out and you will lie on bed gasping for breath or may be having multiple fractures or head injury. I am sure it never happens there.
    Still, as picture is not rosy anywhere, it is better to live in that place where there is quality of life, as money is not the everything you need in life.
  19. asiandr

    asiandr Guest

    Look matey, I am no immigrant and I have left Oz though I had achieved recognition by the AMC. The fact is all OTDs are treated as second class docs and with much discrimination. When a (white) Oz doc makes a mistake, it is often concealed. When an OTD makes a minor misttake it is blown out of proportion - this is your local version of burning down a hospitals which some Asian people do to doctors etc.

    I will not advise any doctor, black or white to seriously consider coming to Oz. My experience was negative and traumatic and loaded with bullying. Those who did not have negative experiences will probably keep silent and probably join the rort till they are caught. Look at Thos Kossmann.....what is happening to him now?

    It was because he toed the line with you chaps and while the going was good, everyone reaped the harvest and when things go wrong, only he gets blamed and gets the sh^%

    Eyes should now be on the Jayant Patel trial: I am most interested in whether they used his name (or tried to push him) to rort the system.
  20. One fascinating question for Counsel to ask Terri Hoffmann is whether she was aware of the possibility that Dr Patel might have been on Queensland Health's Option B award for Staff Specialists not involved in private practice.

    Was there a subtle practice to push Patel to 'perform' beyond what the system could support?

    After all, it is a nice fat Medicare claim for a oesophagectomy for QH (generally the fee split is at least 40%) Item 30535 attracts a full fee of $1567.45 (as of May 2009)

    Check out the Medical Benefits Schedule of the Australian Government Health website....

    It also refers to the highly discretionary way they can manipulate OTD provider numbers as stated by pommie jon under s12AB (page 12)

    (They don't tell you about these schemes until you apply for a Staff Specialist post in QLD)
  21. MS

    MS Guest

    Further internship

    Guys, anyone who went to Oz via Competent Authority pathway?

    I am trying to find out about the further internship requirements / conditions likely to be enforced upon applying for General it really being enforced or flexible depending on the performance ???

    Any insights would be really useful......thx.
  22. Ericity

    Ericity Guest

    Hi everyone:
    I'm new to this forum and it's really discouraging to me to see all the bad experiences above. Frankly speaking, I still don't wanna give it up. So, I really need your kindly advices.
    I'm a ED specialist in Taiwan, Asia. If I pass the ILETS/OET and AMC exams, is it possible for me to be a ER doctor(resident or consultant) in Australia? Is it possible to enter the ED residency training program? is a bad idea to be a ED doctor there.......

    Thanks for your advices!

  23. Guest

    Guest Guest

    my name is vikram. i had completed 4th year mbbs in ukraine more 2 years i have to complete after finishing . i want to do diploma coursesin uk or austrilia .For that wat should to do can u help me
  24. Guest

    Guest Guest

    If you are an OTD, and especially if you are non white, you are automatically targetted. The currently targetted ones are peoples of the Indian (all types) and Chinese (all subgroups) races.

    It is because of the jealously and fear that these two nations are going to be great nations within the next decade. They still wish to maintain a White Australia policy although it is long gone.

    All the stories you hear about OTD damage is on doctors of Indian and Chinese origin though not necessarily India or China (as these two peoples have spread themselves all over the globe and obtained high standard degrees and training)

    If I were you, I would focus on going to Oz on holiday or to invest in something to buy them out.
  25. I am of Chinese origin and have British qualifications. I wish to confirm that I had extremely bad treatment in Australia: I have left volutarily and don't recommend any non Australian qualified doctor to go there to work....especially NSW
  26. Guest

    Guest Guest

    A Fair Go? - still not yet

    From the Medical Observer

    A fair go for IMGs

    Friday, 4 July 2008
    A NSW commission has been told racism is inherent in the Australian medical community. How big a problem is it, and what are the solutions? Bronwyn McNulty reports.

    DISCRIMINATION against international medical graduates (IMGs) in Australia is a reality.

    That is the frank claim made by Australian Doctors Trained Overseas Association president Andrew Schwartz. The worst offenders, he says, can come from within the medical community itself.

    “Genuine racism among the medical profession is much more common than among the general public,” Mr Schwartz says. “They have this feeling that people from non-English-speaking backgrounds are inferior.”

    Mr Schwartz says discrimination can have a serious impact on the willingness of IMGs to come to, or remain in, Australia.

    “I have seen people hounded out of the country. I have also seen... people who get here and manage to find an alternative way of making a living. They don’t want to go near the medical establishment.”

    But while the profession acknowledges that discrimination towards IMGs exists, it is rare to find a doctor who has experienced it first-hand. Mr Schwartz says that in some cases, doctors just aren’t willing to speak about it.

    One doctor who has gone public is South African obstetrician Dr Atkin Pitsoe. In April, his submission to the Special Commission of Inquiry into Acute Care Services in NSW Public Hospitals said there was a “general attitude of exploitation, loathing, hysteria and para­noia around the service” of IMGs, whose morale was being damaged by “inherent racist practices”.

    Dr Pitsoe worked at Wagga Wagga Base Hospital for two years but was suspended last December. He says he was suspended after another doctor criticised him and other IMGs in a letter to hospital management.

    Dr Pitsoe was criticised for his medical techniques, note taking and overfamiliarity with staff and patients.

    He told The Sydney Morning Herald at the time of the inquiry that an independent review had found his techniques were “not a critical departure from accepted obstetric practice”.

    A Greater Southern Area Health Service spokeswoman told the Herald the service was “investigating all issues relating to all the doctors mentioned in the letter”, and that Dr Pitsoe would have an opportunity to respond once an external assessment had been completed.

    Australia has more IMGs per capita than any other country, representing about 20% of the medical workforce. In some rural areas the figure is closer to 50 per cent.

    RACGP president Dr Vasantha Preetham, who trained in India and came to Australia more than 20 years ago, says the Australian community “gives everyone a fair go”.

    “I have heard of some instances, but discrimination is not just because of race,” she says. “It can be because of gender, because of religion, because of physical disabilities.

    “Australia is a caring community, but there are people everywhere, all over the world, who, because of their ignorance, will behave in a way that’s not constructive.”

    Meanwhile, Mr Schwartz says that although the incidence of racism has declined in recent years, especially among younger doctors, some IMGs from non-English-speaking backgrounds still face racist attitudes.

    “If you don’t come from an English-speaking country, the stronger your accent and the darker your skin, the worse those attitudes are,” he says.

    “The problem comes down to two aspects: market protection and indoctrination of medical students at university.

    “When it comes from patients, it’s mostly to do with fear. There’s been a lot of publicity that [IMGs] aren’t as good.”

    RDAA president Dr Peter Rischbieth says there has been a lot of scaremongering about IMGs. He refers to the case of Dr Mohamed Haneef, an Indian citizen who was accused last year of aiding terrorists while working in Queensland and had his visa revoked.

    The case was dropped and the visa returned, but Queensland health minister Stephen Robertson has blamed the federal government’s poor handling of the case for a sharp drop – reportedly as high as 80% – in the number of IMGs seeking work here.

    “After [the Haneef case] was terrible because I think a lot of the community then felt that other IMGs could be seen to be doing something,” Dr Rischbieth says.

    “But I believe this is very unfair as these doctors are working in communities providing quality services and many Australian-trained graduates wouldn’t be prepared to work in these areas.”

    However, Dr Risch­bieth concedes that concerns about an IMG’s skill or experience are sometimes justified. “As in any education system, sometimes there are graduates who are not up to the standards we would like to see.”

    A new nationally consistent assessment process for IMGs took effect this week. It requires even doctors taking up positions in areas of need to first pass the Australian Medical Council exam.

    Meanwhile, Dr Viney Joshi, an IMG working in outback Queensland, says overseas-trained doctors have become an easy target since Dr Jayant Patel was accused of gross incompetence in 2005 while working as a surgeon in Bundaberg.

    “The post-Patel era has made life difficult for [IMGs]” Dr Joshi says.

    IMGs have to find ways to adapt, as Dr Adegbuyi Adeoye explains. “As soon as they hear you speak English that’s a bit different to Australian English, they think you are not sure about what you are saying,” says Dr Adeoye, a Nigerian IMG working in Wonthaggi, Victoria. “I have learned to drag out the words. That seems to help.”

    Unrecognised training is another point of contention. Dr Susan Douglas moved to Canberra from Canada two years ago to become senior lecturer in general practice at The Australian National University.

    She is a vocationally trained Canadian family physician with 15 years in general practice and as a medical educator.

    She recently completed a paper on the Aus­tralian accreditation and regis­tration system for IMGs and says there is unequivocal evidence of discrimination, but its motivation is unclear.

    “Part of my experiences would indicate that the problem may not be so much racism as problems with failing to recognise qualifications of people outside Australia,” Dr Douglas says. Her family medicine qualifications aren’t recognised here and she is still not working as a GP “despite a critical shortage of GPs here in the ACT”, she says.

    Dr Douglas says the nature of discrimination is multifactorial, “based on a combination of ethnicity, native language, culture (including religion), immigration status, the country in which medical training was received, and the degree to which training is similar to the Australian/British model, irrespective of the quality of that training”.

    “If OTDs are unfairly treated, does it really matter if it is racially motivated or not? The end result is the same.”

    Commentators are unanimous in their belief that the medical fraternity and local communities will benefit if IMGs are better supported.

    The Australian Doctors Trained Overseas Association is lobbying the government to set up bridging courses. “We have also been trying to get state and federal governments to fund a course that will help prepare [IMGs] for the Australian Medical Council exam,” Mr Schwartz says.

    Other suggestions include:

    * Better orientation processes for doctors to start work in a new country
    * Extending basic rights, such as Medicare and a state school education, to temporary resident GPs and their families
    * Cultural training to help doctors assimilate and understand the way of life
    * Appropriate retraining
    * Reforming accreditation to eliminate discriminatory practices. For example, IMGs have to pass a two-part medical council exam whereas Australian graduates don’t. It is suggested that qualifications be judged on the similarity of programs instead of the quality of training and assessment.

    RDAA vice-president Dr Nola Maxfield says it’s wrong to assume IMGs will understand Australian culture without targeted education.

    “I think if we’re going to bring them into Australia to provide much-needed services in our community, we need to support them,” she says.

    Dr Douglas suggests establishing an objective, external body in the new national accreditation system to accredit IMG qualifications. It would include “a balance of professional and non-professional membership representing key stakeholders, including IMGs”.

    She also recommends more involvement of IMG experts in the development of fair and valid accreditation policies.
  27. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Courier Mail

    Stefanie Balogh

    August 06, 2009 12:00am

    "MALCOLM Terminal", one Liberal quipped as the Opposition Leader's political world again came crashing down around him this week.

    Malcolm Turnbull – with his win-at-all-costs personality – has thrown Godwin Grech under a ute in a desperate bid to save his own tattered political skin.

    Grech – the senior Treasury official who has voluntarily checked himself into a Canberra mental health facility – has admitted forging the email at the centre of the Utegate affair.

    It was an email that was, potentially, so damaging. If true, it could have brought down the Rudd Government.

    Grech was stressed, seriously ill, and, we now learn, unstable. He was also overly eager to want his beloved pet project, the Government's OzCar financing scheme, passed by Parliament.

    Grech's concocted email alleged that Prime Minister Kevin Rudd's economics adviser had encouraged him to give special assistance to Ipswich car dealer John Grant. Grant – who lives on the same street as Rudd and provides him with a free Mazda Bravo ute to use as a mobile electorate office – was having trouble securing car financing during the height of the global financial crisis.

    But, as Grech admits, his devious email was bogus. A sham. A creation.

    The sickly Treasury official was also politically aligned to the Liberals, a long-time mole for the Opposition, slipping them information offline.

    Turnbull has now, sheepishly, admitted that he met him a week before Grech appeared before a Senate inquiry, and believed he could be trusted.

    Grech, Turnbull says, spoke openly and freely and was not placed under any pressure to reveal information.

    The Opposition Leader has released an email that was sent to him from Grech.

    It lays out the public servant's labrador-like exuberance in pursuing the matter.

    Grech also gave the Opposition a slew of questions and answers to use to attack Labor.

    But, feeling grossly betrayed, Turnbull's full-throttle, lawyer-like efforts to discredit the Treasury official and rip him to shreds have, in fact, left the Opposition Leader exposed.

    He may claim he was deceived and "gravely misled" by Grech – whom he seems intent on portraying in some Shakespearean style as the Iago to his Othello – but does the Australian public really want an alternative prime minister who can be so easily misled?

    The fallout contains another speed bump for Turnbull.

    Labor believes the Opposition colluded with Grech, the star witness at the now-infamous Senate inquiry into the OzCar financing scheme, to deliver a scripted and farcical pantomime of a hearing.

    The Clerk of the Senate, Harry Evans, has responded to Government queries, informing them that coaching a witness before a Senate inquiry, rehearsing or scripting the evidence or suggesting to a witness that evidence should be changed could be viewed as contempt of the Senate. It is serious stuff that undermines the respect for our parliamentary institutions.

    The Opposition is claiming its members were coached by puppet-master Grech. Turnbull says Grech approached them with suggested questions he should be asked in the Senate hearing.

    When Parliament resumes next week, Labor will push for the Senate's privileges committee to investigate whether the Senate economics committee was misled.

    In June, the Coalition persuaded Family First Senator Steve Fielding to vote with it to prevent a Senate privileges committee inquiry into what the Opposition really knew about Grech's faked email. Turnbull says, ruefully, of the faked email affair: "The idea that a senior public servant would forge a communication like this and then show it to the Opposition is extraordinary."

    If Turnbull is to rely on the defence that he was duped by a public servant, he must also wear mounting questions about his political judgment.

    The Liberals are publicly sticking with him because there is no alternative leader-in-waiting.

    But, as Iago, said: "We cannot all be masters, nor all masters cannot be truly follow'd."

    Stefanie Balogh is The Courier-Mail's national political correspondent


    1. Grech certainly has devious Solicitors as Mental illness will probably get him off the hook for criminal defamation under statutory rules.

    2. This type of base tactic occurs in medicine when dealing with the colleges and many public hospital managers: OTDs and locals beware!

    3. Watch yer backs, Pommie Jon and Pommie Basxxxx - too late, Galileo - you had already copped it
  28. Guest

    Guest Guest

    There is no honour or integrity when dealing with some Ozzies.....this includes the so called professional bodies and statutory or quasi statutory bodies.

    Even with their loss of the Ashes, they want to blame someone.
  29. Guest

    Guest Guest

    The Age

    Police paid $20,000 to alleged AFL rape victim
    Thomas Hunter
    August 28, 2009 - 12:10PM

    Police have admitted paying $20,000 to a Melbourne woman at the centre of a bungled rape investigation involving the Carlton Football Club.

    The ABC's 7.30 Report revealed last night that Victoria Police grossly mishandled the case of a woman who alleged that a Carlton AFL player had raped her after the club's 1999 grand final loss.

    The alleged victim, "Kate", who was working as a stripper at the Goldfingers club at the time, said police offered her $20,000 but she initially refused the money.

    "I think in some way they owed me more than twenty grand," Kate told the ABC last night. "They owed me doing their job properly."

    In a statement released this morning, police said they were "extremely disappointed" with Kate's response, saying the payment was made in a "show of good faith and for compassionate reasons".

    "Victoria Police again offered the woman $20,000 because we believed it was the right thing to do," the statement read.

    "This offer was accepted and did include a confidentiality clause, which is standard in government litigation.

    "We are extremely disappointed with her response, particularly as result of the significant efforts by Victoria Police to deal with this matter."

    Kate says her rape allegations were not taken seriously by police because she was working as a stripper.

    Three years after opening the investigation, police told Kate the case would not proceed because of a lack of evidence.

    Kate then approached the Office of Police Integrity.

    A leaked OPI document from 2005 obtained by The 7.30 Report concluded the investigation was flawed. Among other things, it showed the scene was not visited by police until two days after the incident, and players were allowed to go on an overseas holiday before police interviewed the alleged rapist.

    Further, the OPI disclosed both the original record of the interview and its back-up had been lost.

    Victoria Police offered Kate an apology and $20,000 ''due to some exceptional circumstances’’, which she refused. She then initiated a court action that was unsuccessful.

    Police now admit to offering her $20,000 a second time ‘‘because we believed it was the right thing to do’’, and she accepted the money.

    The 7.30 Report revealed Kate had now been asked by police for help investigating a Carlton player suspected of supplying teammates with drugs in conjunction with underworld figure Jason Moran.

    Kate said she was offered drugs by Moran on the night of the alleged rape and was later confronted by him as she left work at Goldfingers.

    ‘‘I had a gun put to my head and was told that if I was to mention anything about the drugs I would be killed and so would my family,’’ Kate told The 7.30 Report.

    A spokesperson for the Carlton Football Club this morning declined to comment on any of Kate’s allegations.


    Who says this does not happen in medicine? It does! Welcome to Australia, a continent generally overun by people who take integrity lightly.
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    The Close Shop of Australian Medical Practice

    Elite hospital old boys' network targeted by competition watchdog
    August 17, 2009 in the Sydney Morning Herald

    THE entire team of anaesthetists at St Vincent's Private Hospital - more than 30 doctors - is under investigation for acting as a cartel.

    The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission is moving to end what other doctors claim is a decades-long history of restrictive behaviour by an old boys' network which is bent on protecting its exclusive access to some of Sydney's most lucrative private operating lists.

    The ACCC last week demanded the group - a consortium of doctors employed as independent contractors but allocated nearly all the hospital's anaesthetic work - justify its existence and membership rules and defend how its members set patients' fees.

    Other doctors said giving anaesthetic shifts to a limited pool of specialists could also compromise patient care, barring surgeons from choosing anaesthetists experienced in particular operations.

    The commission's move could see individual doctors hit with fines of up to $500,000 if they are found to have breached competition laws. It comes after the hospital last year applied to the commission to rule it could continue the practice of preventing outside anaesthetists from working in its operating theatres, even when requested by a surgeon.

    The private hospital's pool is restricted to anaesthetists who also work at St Vincent's Public Hospital - appointed through what the hospital describes as a, ''competitive process '' intended to benefit public patients, but which others say includes a system of patronage skewed towards doctors trained there.

    The application prompted a huge backlash, as individuals and specialists' groups told the commission the closed roster was unjustified and unique in NSW.

    In its submission, NSW Health, which funds St Vincent's Public Hospital, said public patients did not benefit from the exclusivity arrangement, because there was no, "current or foreseeable shortage of anaesthetists," in the eastern suburbs, and, "indeed if anything there is an oversupply''.

    The hospital withdrew the application in December and is understood to have told the doctors, who effectively run the anaesthetic department and charge some of Sydney's highest rates, to change how they allocate work.

    But the commission is now investigating new complaints from anaesthetists who say they are still locked out of work at St Vincent's Private.

    Early this year the hospital's executive director, Robert Cusack, signed a rejection letter saying there was, ''sufficient anaesthetic cover within the existing cohort of anaesthetists,'' and the candidate therefore, ''did not satisfy a business need of the hospital.''

    Despite this, Mr Cusack is understood to be furious with the anaesthetists' position and to have told them he will not pay their legal costs or any fines.

    An anaesthetist, David Bollinger, told the Herald : ''I've had a professional relationship with a surgeon I've worked with for 15 years, and he moved to St Vincent's and they won't let me work there. It's … mean-spirited, and bordering on unethical.''

    Another anaesthetist refused work said: ''St Vincent's is very highly regarded in the community [but] the way they do things is not necessarily in the best interests of patients … it's in the best interests of themselves.''

    Gregory Deacon, public officer of the St Vincent's Private anaesthetists' consortium, declined to comment, saying the matter was being handled by lawyers. The hospital also refused to comment, citing the ACCC proceedings.

    My Opinion:

    This group should be investigated by the Tax man: the obvious questions are:

    1. Kickback arrangements with Surgeons whether inshore or offshore via self or nominees.
    2. Offshore Nominee accounts in places like Vanuatu, Cook Islands and other tax havens like the Caymans, Isle of Man, Gibraltar, Hongkong, the Channel Islands etc
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    the Health Minister of NSW

    Sex romps bad for the health portfolioTONY WRIGHT
    September 2, 2009

    JOHN Della Bosca, the powerful NSW Labor figure whose interests include bushwalking, according to Who's Who, must wish today he'd gone walking in a blizzard with Tim Holding.

    At least everyone would be sympathising with him and inquiring about his health.

    Instead, he was lost in a blizzard of headlines about sex romps with a 26-year-old woman. Before newspapers hit the street yesterday, Della Bosca, 53, had quit his jobs as NSW health minister and leader of the state's upper house.

    Until yesterday, Della Bosca was fancied as a strong chance to become premier of NSW, a job held only tenuously by the latest incumbent, the disaster-prone Nathan Rees.

    But soon after Sydney's The Daily Telegraph devoted its pages 1, 2 and 3 to the apparent fury of the scorned 26-year-old, who said the health minister had promised to leave his wife but hadn't, Della Bosca's chances had returned to the backbench.

    ''You have to take your medicine if you make bad decisions,'' he said yesterday.

    Among those decisions, according to the unnamed young woman, was to indulge in a sexual encounter on Della Bosca's parliamentary office couch, to miss a flight to a hospital opening to spend an afternoon with his new love interest, and to send her text messages telling her he had fallen in love with her and she was ''the most beautiful woman in the galaxy''.

    She also claimed that Della Bosca, ''drunk as a skunk'' one evening, had told her he was going to be the next premier and had the support of caucus. He had, she said, described the current Premier, Rees, as ''a freckle-faced Latham''.

    And when the formerly rotund minister began losing weight, sparking rumours that he was preparing for a leadership challenge, he told the young woman - according to her reported comments - that ''little do people know I'm losing weight to impress a young, skinny thing''.

    The young woman claimed she had fallen in love with Della Bosca, and said he had ''the most beautiful eyes and beautiful smile''. But now she felt ''used'' because he hadn't followed through with the promise to leave his wife, and she had ended the six-month affair on August 5.

    Della Bosca said yesterday he had resigned as minister and Labor leader of the NSW upper house to avoid further ''distractions''. However, he intended to serve out his term.

    Some senior Labor political observers speculated yesterday that Della Bosca's quick decision to resign from the ministry and hold a press conference could be a strategy to put the controversy to bed and allow him time for a political comeback.

    ''Labor's going to lose the next election in NSW, so he could serve out his term in the upper house, manufacture a move to the lower house and get on with being leader after the election,'' one senior observer said.

    The Premier said he was not going to make moral judgments on the matter that had brought Della Bosca undone.

    There were those around political circles saying yesterday they'd hardly blame Della Bosca for retreating to a bar stool at Iguana's Bar and Brasserie and calling for a long glass of something very strong.

    You'd hardly blame Iguana's, of course, for closing down for a week, considering the last time Della Bosca visited.

    He was accompanied on that occasion by his wife, federal MP Belinda Neal. The evening descended into chaos and weeks of recriminations after Neal, offended at being asked to move tables, allegedly demanded of the wait staff, ''Don't you know who I am?''

    Reports of the matter moved Prime Minister Kevin Rudd to order Neal to undergo an anger management course.

    Della Bosca proved his political toughness. Even though he was stood down as education minister after it was discovered a letter of apology from Iguana's staff to Della Bosca and Neal was drafted by Della Bosca's own office, he returned to the ministry within months. Until yesterday.
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    If the leadership in NSW Health is so inconsistent, brazen and rapidly changing, what does it tell?
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    Elderly patient left on bedpan for days
    September 4, 2009

    AN ELDERLY man is being treated for a life-threatening infection after he was allegedly left on a bedpan for as much as five days in a Sydney hospital, the Herald has learnt.

    The man, 80, from Gladesville, was forced to undergo two bouts of surgery after the green pan became embedded in his skin, causing massive ulcers on both buttocks and leaving him with a hole at the base of his spine big enough to fit two fists.

    The Herald understands the man, a patient at Concord Repatriation General Hospital since early July, has limited English and was not able to inform staff the bedpan had not been removed. It is believed his family was told of the incident only two weeks after the pan was discovered and his buttocks had become severely infected, requiring surgery to debride the rotting skin.

    The man was admitted with pneumonia and spent 19 days in intensive care and about seven days on a cardiac ward but it is believed the pan was discovered after he was transferred to a respiratory ward in early August.

    The incident raises serious questions about whether the man, who was immobile, had been turned regularly to prevent bedsores, was washed or had his sheets changed during his time on the cardiac ward.

    The hospital has refused to answer detailed questions on the case, citing patient confidentiality, but one senior staff member disputed that the man's injury had been caused by a bedpan or that he had been left unattended for up to five days.

    He said it was still unclear how the injury had occurred or who had been responsible.

    The man has two long incisions on each buttock and a big open sore near his sacrum, but he must sit or lie lay on the damaged areas because his pneumonia prevents him lying on his stomach.

    He was moved into a single room with an $8000 mattress yesterday after the Herald contacted the hospital.

    A spokesman for Sydney South West Area Health Service said the hospital was taking the claims seriously and had apologised to the family for any distress caused.

    ''The possibility of a patient being left on a bedpan for the length of time suggested is implausible. Patients who are confined to bed are regularly and routinely turned and provided with pressure-relieving treatment to prevent bedsores,'' the spokesman said.

    Lillian Jeter, from the Elder Abuse Prevention Association, said the case appeared to be one of ''severe negligence''.

    ''If this allegation is true, this man was subjected to significant elder abuse and mistreatment in a public place where he should have been getting care.''
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    Continuing doubt on Australian standards

    The Sydney Morning Herald

    Meals, trips used to sway choice of devices
    September 7, 2009


    SOME medical device companies have made secret financial arrangements with doctors in an attempt to influence the brands they implant in their patients.

    Millions of dollars are being spent on meals at upmarket restaurants, overseas trips to medical conferences and consultancy fees for research, according to industry insiders.

    In one case, a Sydney doctor visiting Melbourne was flown by helicopter from Monash Medical Centre to the airport so he would not have to endure peak-hour traffic.

    The revelations come amid fears that some implants have been subject to inadequate testing or monitoring by the Federal Government, exposing thousands of patients to risk.

    One senior Health Department source said the oversight regime was a ''shambles'', partly because it relied on companies dobbing themselves in when their implants - which include artificial knees, hip replacements and pacemakers - fail. In the past four years, 181 patients have been killed and another 2146 injured - 1027 of them seriously - in incidents related to medical devices, according to the Therapeutic Goods Administration.

    The figures have jumped sharply over the past 12 months.

    The Herald has learnt that senior TGA officials are concerned some companies are self-registering products as implants rather than medicines to avoid proper scrutiny.

    Surgeons and TGA sources are also concerned that doctors are using implants in ways that go beyond their approved use, a problem potentially heightened by the aggressive marketing approaches some companies use to push their products.

    The potential danger is magnified because of the sheer volume of procedures that take place in Australia, a figure that grows every year.

    More than 65,000 artificial knee and hip replacements were done last year at an estimated cost of more than $1 billion, a figure that has doubled in the past decade and is projected to double again in the next.

    Australia has one of the highest knee replacement rates in the world, according to the national joint replacement registry.

    The Herald is not suggesting improper relationships were involved in all medical decisions to implant new knees or hips but the example highlights the growing role implants play in patient care.

    According to insiders, many of the products doctors are encouraged to use have gross profit margins of up to 92 per cent. But the Herald is not suggesting the companies or the doctors are acting illegally. There appear to be no specific laws, only voluntary codes of conduct.

    The medical device industry is now a $3 billion-a-year market, and the NSW Government is the biggest single customer, according to public submissions to the Federal Government by the industry body, the Medical Technology Association of Australia.

    But Michael Grigg, the chairman of the Royal Australasian College of Surgeons' professional standards committee, said he was "not specifically aware of any cases" of surgeons receiving payments. "Despite this the college acknowledges that there is a perception that the relationship between surgeons and industry could compromise the relationship between surgeons and the patient," he said.

    Professor Grigg said the college had recently introduced a new code of practice for stricter guidelines.
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    Hey Nos! here is somemore NSW filth....

    from the Sydney Morning Herald online today

    ICAC brought into McGurk bribery scandal

    Police investigating the murder of a Sydney businessman who claimed to have a tape implicating Labor MPs in a bribery scandal have handed evidence to the state corruption watchdog.

    Police on Monday said detectives had provided the unspecified evidence, gathered during their investigation of Michael McGurk's slaying, to the Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC).

    ICAC confirmed the meeting and said it had begun a preliminary investigation as a result.

    "The ICAC is undertaking a preliminary investigation," it said in a statement.

    "The commission will not be making any further comment at this stage."

    Mr McGurk, who was shot dead in front of his young son outside their Cremorne home on Thursday, is said to have had a recording of a conversation revealing alleged corruption of high level officials or MPs in NSW.

    Friend and fellow businessman Jim Byrnes said Mr McGurk claimed the tape proved state government MPs were corrupt but said he had refused to listen to it.

    Former Labor powerbroker Graham Richardson said he had listened to the tape, describing it as a poor quality recording of a conversation between Mr McGurk and developer Ron Medich that contained no audible allegations against politicians.

    Police would not divulge the nature of the evidence provided to the corruption watchdog nor the nature of its discussion with ICAC commissioner Jerrold Cripps.

    Detectives are continuing their investigations into Mr McGurk's murder.

    Last week, Mr Medich issued a statement saying that he had amicably settled a business dispute with Mr McGurk and extended sympathy to his family.

    "Mr McGurk's murder is tragic and Mr Medich's sympathy goes out to his wife and children," the statement said.
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    Sydney Morning Herald

    Revealed: Labor ministers on new McGurk tapes
    September 14, 2009

    MICHAEL McGURK illegally recorded conversations he had with five state Labor MPs and one former federal minister, a long-term colleague of the murdered standover man has told the Herald.

    The associate, who transcribed the tapes for Mr McGurk, provided the Police Integrity Commission with two written statements regarding this and other allegations about the loan shark's corrupt relations with senior police, crime figures and politicians, last Wednesday.

    He said the recordings were not only related to property developments but involved the offers of bribes to have serious criminal charges dropped.

    However, he said yesterday he was worried the commission had failed to contact him.

    In his statement he says: ''I have listened to the tape recordings, which were made on three separate cassette tapes on several occasions and I am fully aware of the nature of their contents.

    ''It has been a practice of Mr McGurk's to carry a concealed tape recorder with him when he had meetings with various people, which included during 2006 and 2007, officers of the NSW Crime Commission, members of Parliament and business colleagues.''

    The Herald has a copy of the receipt issued by the PIC, recording its acceptance of the man's statements.

    The associate said that a well-known private investigator had set up recording equipment for Mr McGurk which he used to tape all meetings.

    He said that he personally transcribed three of the McGurk tapes made between 2004 and 2007. He said that the voices of five state MPs, some of whom were ministers, are on the tapes as well as a former federal minister.

    He named a friend of Mr McGurk who has possession of the tapes. He also said that most of the recordings were made in a reading room at the Sofitel Hotel, in St Mary's Cathedral where Mr McGurk would pray and have private meetings, the Golden Century Restaurant in Sussex Street and the parliamentary cafe.

    He also wrote in his statement to the commission: ''In respect of taped recordings made by Mr McGurk, which I have heard, I have no doubt that should their content be made known, the State Government of NSW would be unlikely to be able to continue to govern.''

    These tapes are understood to be different from the tape in which Mr McGurk was trying to extort $8 million from the property developer Ron Medich.

    The Labor powerbroker Graham Richardson has said that six months ago he was asked to listen to a tape recording Mr McGurk had made with Mr Medich. However, he said the crucial parts of the tape were inaudible.

    Three months after hearing the tape, Mr Medich and Mr Richardson reported the extortion attempt to Detective Constable Ray Hetherington at Redfern police.

    It is understood that Detective Hetherington reported this to both his superiors at Redfern station as well as to the Director of Public Prosecutions.

    Mr McGurk was shot at point-blank range in front of his nine-year-old son at 6.30pm on Thursday, September 3. His assassin was believed to have been hiding under nearby bushes awaiting his return. Mr McGurk had left his home in Cranbrook Avenue, Cremorne, to collect his son and run some errands. On the way home they stopped to buy some hot chips, which Mr McGurk was eating when he was shot dead.

    The Herald is not suggesting that any of Mr McGurk's associates were involved in his murder or corruption.

    A fortnight before his death, two firebombing and three assault charges against the murdered bagman were dropped.

    One of the firebombings occurred last November at the Wolseley Road, Point Piper, home of the financier Adam Tilley. At the time Mr McGurk was collecting a debt on behalf of his then business associate Mr Medich.

    In the days since his death Mr McGurk has been linked with an array of Sydney's rich and powerful as well as a cast of less savoury characters.

    He has been alleged to have been involved in standover tactics, a supplier of prostitutes to business figures and sportsmen, a cocaine user and a man who used iron bars to get his way.

    The NSW Government has set up an inquiry into the affair.
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    Ex Fed Health Minister Abbott's conduct


    Abbott kicked out of parliament
    September 14, 2009 - 3:26PM

    Senior Liberal Tony Abbott has been banned from federal parliament for 24 hours after the speaker of the house resented his wandering around in front of the coalition frontbench.

    The member for Warringah was standing and talking with colleagues as Deputy Prime Minister Julia Gillard used an answer during question time to attack the opposition's workplace relations policy.

    Speaker Harry Jenkins first warned Mr Abbott after he remained out of his seat for a prolonged period.

    "I will not have people deciding that they can just wander around the house as a gesture," Mr Jenkins said.

    Ms Gillard did not miss the opportunity to have a crack at Mr Abbott when she resumed speaking.

    "I do understand that whenever the member for Warringah is near a microphone people become concerned about a word being used that isn't suitable for daytime TV."

    She was referring to comments Mr Abbott made outside parliament last week in which he suggested Ms Gillard had struggled during debate over the government's school infrastructure program.

    Ms Gillard had been left wearing "a shit-eating grin", he said.

    Mr Abbott was named by Mr Jenkins before the government moved a motion that he be suspended from the lower house, resulting in the member for Warringah being being banned for 24 hours.

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    Sydney Morning Herald

    NSW Health still keeping suppliers waiting for payment

    September 15, 2009

    THE NSW Health Department owes more than $69 million to medical suppliers of hospitals, with almost every area health service failing to pay huge bills for months.

    This is despite promises almost a year ago by the then health minister, John Della Bosca, that the Government would ''fix the problem'', which he said pertained to ''at least one, and possibly another'' area health service, by urgently wiping $11 million from the debts.

    It was revealed during a budget estimates hearing yesterday that the North Sydney Central Coast Area Health Service, which includes Royal North Shore Hospital, owes the most to suppliers, with $15.2 million outstanding in bills overdue by more than 45 days.

    As at June 30, a total of $69.2 million owed by six of the eight area services had been overdue for more than 45 days.

    Hunter/New England and Sydney West were the only area health services with no outstanding debt over 45 days.

    One Ryde family business owner who attended the hearing later said the department had paid only $13,000 of a $100,000 bill for medical supplies from his company. Les Mico said the department had consistently failed to pay his company, Total Patient Care, and the problem had become significantly worse over the past eight years, with $150,000 owed at one point.

    Mr Mico said Westmead Hospital was his worst debtor. ''Every month we are having to go cap in hand [to NSW Health] to ask for money that is owing to us. It has already had a toll on us and I really don't like going to the bank saying we need a couple of extra dollars to keep us going.''

    Of the $87,000 owed to him, $47,000 is more than 60 days overdue, but most bills were at least 90 days overdue, he said.

    The new Health Minister, Carmel Tebbutt, who was sworn in yesterday afternoon, said she had instructed health officials to meet Mr Mico.

    John Hatzistergos, who was acting minister until Ms Tebbutt was sworn in, told the hearing most businesses were paid within the ''appropriate benchmark'' of 45 days. ''The percentage of overdue bills is very low,'' he said.

    He said the Health Department paid on average $9.7 million every day to suppliers.

    The Government contract with suppliers is for payment at the end of the following month - allowing up to 60 days.

    Another small business, Mid Coast Printing, was owed nearly $6000. Its owner, Graham Martindale, said the Health Department took an average of 69 days to pay its accounts.

    The Opposition health spokeswoman, Jillian Skinner, said outside the hearing that the unpaid bills had ''a devastating impact on suppliers''.
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    from the website: "Socialised Medicine" blog by JJ Ray

    A WORLD-famous US surgeon pulled out of retirement to fill in at a regional hospital for 12 years has been forced to sell his house and abandon Australia in an "appalling" visa bungle. Dr Frank Trost, 77, a globally recognised orthopedic surgeon, has been locked in a bitter six-month wrangle over his visa status amid new restrictions on foreign-trained doctors. Yet, despite the dire shortage of doctors in regional hospitals, Queensland Health and the Immigration Department have refused to budge.

    "I feel badly used," Dr Trost said yesterday. "If I'd not gone back to work, I'd be happily retired and still living the dream. We don't want to go. This is our home. But we have no choice."

    Fellow surgeons, locals and patients are outraged at the "appalling" treatment of the specialist, who will be forced to return to the US. "He has been used and abused," said Dr Don Pitchford, chairman of the International Medical Graduates Committee. "They took their pound of flesh, now they've kicked him in the guts, tossed him on the scrapheap, and told him, 'You're too old, get out of the country'. It is a disgrace."

    Dr Pitchford, director of orthopedics at Gold Coast Hospital, said one solution would be to give Dr Trost an honorary medical fellowship, or to simply give him back his original retirement visa. "If this is the sort of citizen we are kicking out, we should all hang our heads in shame," he said.

    Dr Trost and his wife Nancy came to Australia from the US on a retirement visa in 1996 to live by the beach in Mackay. But once word got out of his international stature as a surgeon and expert in amputations, he was asked to join the understaffed Mackay Base Hospital. Then at 65, he did so, sharing his skills and knowledge, administrating his department for more than a decade after stopping surgery because of age restrictions. Dr Trost had the added comfort of a personal letter from the then federal immigration minister reassuring him he would be allowed to go back on to his retirement visa once he finished work.

    "I didn't come here to get a job," said Dr Trost, who is now on a temporary 457 work visa. "But when duty called, I felt I had a responsibility to help my fellow man. It has been nerve-racking, very stressful and strenuous, being in limbo for so long." Dr Frost said he and his wife could not get permanent residency because of new rules against foreign-trained doctors over the age of 45.

    Two weeks ago, the couple sold their beachside home and are "mentally packing" to leave to start a new life near San Diego, California. He is today in his last week of work at Mackay Base Hospital after resigning in protest over a series of conditions imposed on his work. One included sitting a multiple-choice Australian Medical Council exam this month before spending two years in the wards as an intern, he said.

    Mackay Mayor Col Meng said he sympathised with the highly respected medico. "He's 77 years old, they've been using him, but it shows you've got to play by the rules," he said.

    An Immigration Department spokesman confirmed the couple's status was in limbo. "He's not being kicked out. No decision has been made," the spokesman said. "We've been in touch with him, we're still processing it." Mackay Health District chief executive Kerry McGovern said Queensland Health had no control over visa conditions. "The responsibility for meeting those requirements rests with the doctor, not the employer," he said. [They really sound as if they care, don't they? They are one of Australia's most malign bureaucracies]
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    Generally, many ordinary Australians care: the bureaucrats are the worst lot and the grandest nincompoops in most departments: this include many in the colleges!
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    The Age

    'Racist' skater hospitalised after tussle with Indian wrestlers
    October 5, 2009 - 1:10PM

    A skateboarder needed hospital treatment after allegedly vandalising a car and racially abusing its occupants, who turned out to be Indian wrestlers.

    Police confirmed there had been an altercation at a carpark outside Meadowglen International Athletics Stadium in Epping yesterday, during which two men were injured.

    The brawl followed an Indian wrestling contest held at the McDonalds Road venue, which attracted up to 5000 people, many from interstate.

    Councillor Tim Singh, from the City of Darebin, was involved in medal presentations for the Kabaddi tournament at the time of the fight about 5.30pm.

    "A lot of people were leaving, the presentations were on at the time, I spoke to one of the boys that was there and he said a guy had smashed the rear window of a car that was leaving and said 'f**** off you black c****'," Cr Singh said.

    He said more people from the nearby skate park joined the argument, which erupted into a brawl.

    Police said two men, aged 25 and 42, were assaulted and hit with sticks during the fight, and were taken to the Northern Hospital with minor injuries.

    Inspector Mark Doney, from Mill Park police, said the incident occurred when contestants of the wrestling team sport Kabaddi began to leave the venue.

    ‘‘One of the youths there tried to get in the way of the cars and yelled out a bit of abuse at people,’’ he said.

    ‘‘I think he got his just desserts by the occupants of the vehicle after he smashed the window of their car.

    ‘‘Obviously, push has come to shove and he smashed the panel of the side window of the car with the skateboard.

    ‘‘It has escalated from there as some of his mates have come down the skatepark.

    ‘‘A couple more were assaulted.’’

    Asked whether the Indians had reacted to racial abuse, Inspector Doney said: ‘‘It could have been. At this stage, I don’t have what was actually said in front of me’’.

    Inspector Doney said the injured men hadn’t pressed charges.

    ‘‘We don’t have a complaint of assault from them,’’ he said.

    ‘‘It’s still under investigation. We are still investigating damage to the car.’’

    A recent spate of race-based attacks on Indians has soured Melbourne’s reputation on the sub-continent.

    Premier John Brumby used his trip to India last week to limit the fallout from the negative publicity.

    Inspector Doney said police were doing their best to crack down on any potential trouble.

    ‘‘We actually had police at the venue,’’ he told ABC Radio today.

    ‘‘We are building relationships with the Indian community.’’

    with AAP


    Good on you Indian wrestlers. We wish that Indian (and other doctors) who have been victimised by hospitals and colleges would hit back and expose the racism. There are many good Australians but the bad apples must be identified, skewered and grilled to charcoal.
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    Gillard's accent baffles American kids
    October 9, 2009 - 5:08PM

    Deputy Prime Minister Julia Gillard's broad Aussie accent has baffled US schoolchildren to the point at which they asked her whether English was spoken Down Under.

    In Washington, DC, to discuss green jobs and education, Ms Gillard confessed she had puzzled American youngsters after talking to them for a few minutes.

    "I have visited two schools in Washington where the kids asked me, after listening to me, whether or not we spoke English in Australia," she told Macquarie Radio on Friday.

    "That Australian accent is foxing them a bit."

    She was invited by Jeb Bush, former governor of Florida, to attend the Excellence in Action Summit to discuss education reform including national curriculum, teacher quality and transparency.

    Ms Gillard is also meeting with senior Obama Administration officials during the trip.


    It is quite clear from this that if you do come to Australia, your English will suffer. Sometimes, employers and even colleges will insist that you reduce your Queen's English to common bush Ozzie english - and also to attend a cultural reform course to make you more "ozzie"

    This of course is all very hypocritical as the true Australians are the aboriginals and the white man came to plunder, rape and impose his criminality on the continent which has led to to all the mess and discrimination today.

    Mr Rudd did apologise after many years - though he may be personally sincere, I doubt the rest are, seeing how the health bureaucrats, AMC and the Colleges conduct themselves.
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    all my colleagues from india,please think twice before coming to australia,no more jobs for IMGs,why they condect AMC exam in india ,just for money.....
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    all the critics .. very interesting comments and views. when you can't reach the grapes its said to be sour I understand.
    I wonder if its easy to get into an MD programme in India as a non-indian?
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    The PM confirms this: OTDs DONT COME TO OZ!


    Hospitals are sick: Rudd
    October 14, 2009 - 3:46PM

    Prime Minister Kevin Rudd says he agrees with a "universally bleak" report into Australia's public hospital system.

    The Australian Medical Association today released its report card, saying many hospitals failed to reach performance benchmarks.

    "I basically agree with them," Mr Rudd told reporters in Murray Bridge, east of Adelaide.

    "There is a real problem out there.

    "And therefore, the Australian Government, rather than simply pushing this problem under the carpet, believe it's time we have a fully fledged national debate about how we fix this system for the long term.

    "It is root and branch reform that is necessary."

    Mr Rudd was in Murray Bridge for a health forum as part of the Government's consultation over proposed health reforms.

    The Prime Minister said his Government would hold state and territories to account over their public hospital systems, and the data used to measure their performance benchmarks.

    "We intend to hold the states and territories accountable against that data, that is why we are in the reform business," he said.

    "This is tough - and remember we are also dealing with a history of the previous Australian government pulling $1 billion out of the Australian public hospitals system, we are reinvesting back in.

    "We will take a very dim view indeed of any attempt by any State Government, whatever their political persuasion, of somehow being cute with critical data on emergency surgery, on elective surgery, or emergency department presentations.

    "We want real data, we want to know the absolute facts of what is happening out there.

    "We are in the long term reform business but to perform that, you need to have absolute confidence in the data, that is why we agreed on those performance benchmarks.

    "We will take a very dim view indeed of any data that is cooked by anybody."



    Unless the package is very fair and have provisions to deal with injustice, bullying, exploitation, racism etc DONT CONSIDER
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    anyone for Australian data cookery lessons?
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    @ Marcus

    all the critics .. very interesting comments and views. when you can't reach the grapes its said to be sour I understand.

    >it is more grapes of wrath I think. Those who have reached the grapes having assisted some Ozzies in greasing their palms are certainly happy - at least for the time being. Those who have not assisted may indeed be quite irate.

    I think it is the other way around: with Ozzies trying to cut down tall poppies - those who excel. They just want a mediocre society with everyone (despite those unable) being equal - like in Orwell's Animal Farm.

    >I wonder if its easy to get into an MD programme in India as a non-indian?

    I wonder whether any serious research has been done in Australia about how much corruption the medical profession is involved in - defrauding Medicare.

    Why should a non Indian want to be studying medicine in India unless they cant get in elsewhere and thus have to pay 'for a seat'
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    October 20, 2009

    Our swagger is big, but others are unconvinced


    AUSTRALIA may think the world of itself but the world does not think as much of it, at least not when it comes to a business environment, culture and social welfare, says a poll of citizens of the eight largest economies.

    Foreigners rated Australia for its world-class lifestyle but marked it down as a place to do business, the quality of its products and services, its government and its contribution to the global economy, a survey by a think tank, the Reputation Institute, found.

    But when it comes to self-belief, Australia is without peer; Australians are more positive about themselves than any other of the 33 nations that took part in the institute's wider survey.

    Japan and South Africa registered the lowest self-image, and China, Russia and India recorded the greatest gap between how they perceived themselves and how others saw them. Oliver Freedman, the general manager of AMR Interactive, which conducted the research, said: ''When it comes to the physical beauty and overall lifestyle we are doing a very good job of communicating with the rest of the world, but there's been a lack of communication about other areas such as our inventiveness and innovation.''

    Despite creating a good impression overall, coming behind the leaders Switzerland and Canada, Australia failed to make it into the top five in key areas such as innovation, technological advancement, culture and social welfare, the survey of 22,000 people found. That did not stop citizens of Group of Eight countries - Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia, Britain and the US - from ranking Australia as the fourth most likely place to invest in.

    Mr Freedman said: ''My guess is that Australia has weathered the financial crisis very well; we are last in and first out. We have a very strong resources sector so from a general [shares] investor point of view Australia does make sense.''

    In August the Trade Minister, Simon Crean, sought to address this issue with a $20 million project to develop a new brand for Australia to encourage investment. Responding to the survey's results, a spokeswoman for Austrade said Australia needed to ''leverage this confidence we have in ourselves'' for the new brand.


    Dont believe the swagger - it is all exaggerated. The (medical) roads are not paved with gold but nails, vitriol and poison.
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    ADTOA Release

    RACGP IMG policy in question

    ADTOA is deeply concerned about the motivation underlying the recent situation where Dr. Sue Douglas a Canadian IMG was refused ad eundum gradum fellowship by the RACGP. It has since come to light that other Canadian doctors with identical qualifications were also denied while others were granted the fellowship despite the absence of any changes to the ad eundum gradum policy or Canadian/Australian training programs.

    Dr. Douglas is not alone. A number of ADTOA members have reported that an urgent presidential enquiry was to be conducted in August 2008 looking into a number of cases involving the assessment of IMGs including that of Dr. Douglas. The enquiry was overturned by the RACGP council, however, on the basis that an appeals process was already in place. A few months later one of the IMGs who lodged an appeal was told that they were not entitled to appeal because they were not a member of the College.

    The Colleges are meant to be houses of knowledge responsible for the setting and maintenance of professional standards. A lot of public money is invested in the Colleges to act as custodians in the public interest. There seems to be merit to the comment that arbritrary methods are used by Colleges like the RACGP to assess individual applicants. In view of trust that is bestowed upon the Colleges to fairly assess IMG qualifications the manner in which the Douglas case was handled is totally unacceptable.

    While the RACGP may criticize Medicare for cancelling Dr. Douglas' provider number we need to remember that it was the RACGP that denied her legal right to fellowship that caused the problem with Medicare.

    This case highlights the discriminatory, unfair and inconsistent nature of the current accreditation process for IMGs particularly the current role of the specialist Colleges. These problems significantly impact on the
    Australian medical workforce at a time of critical doctor shortage. ADTOA
    call upon the government to conduct an independent enquiry into the role of the RACGP in the assessment of IMG qualifications and that the recommendations from such an investigation be incorporated into the new national accreditation scheme.

    Contact Andrew Schwartz 0425 705 370 Dr Viney Joshi 0428-574-677
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    The joke about all the Australian 'Royal' colleges are that they are capable acting like gambling or racing they can do what they like! There is nothing 'Royal' about these colleges - they are all registered companies regulated under the Australian Securities and Investment Commission - thus they think they are accountable to no one.

    ..but, watch this space.......

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